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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby mamundsen » August 12th, 2015, 12:53 pm

jw138 wrote:A new MnDOT study on the I-94 corridor between downtown St Paul and downtown Minneapolis is about to kick off:

http://kstp.com/article/stories/s3876761.shtml

Whatever the final scope turns out to be, it looks like at minimum this will be very expensive and time consuming:
Isaacson said he views MnDOT's foremost priorities as repairing and replacing some of the more than 50 bridges along that stretch of highway, and replacing the pavement on some of the more than 80 miles of lanes as well.
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While it's far too early to put a price tag on any work, because the study has not yet begun, Gov. Mark Dayton's recent transportation budget estimated the cost of upgrading the bridges and pavement on that stretch of I-94 alone at about $500 million.
hm... I don't like when numbers get inflated for dramatic embellishment.

50 bridges must be counting each one 4x (N, S, over 94EB, 94WB) and the distance between the downtowns is about 10 miles, x 6 lanes in most spaces... they must be counting the on/off ramps to get to 80 miles.

I would think that there is not interest for center bus stops because of the 16 and Green Line on University are for local traffic. The buses travelling on 94 are for express, whether that be between the downtowns or from DT Mpls to east suburbs.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby RailBaronYarr » August 12th, 2015, 1:24 pm

A single stop online at Snelling wouldn't add much time to those express buses, but would be pretty good for expanding transit connections, inbound and outbound. It's not that crazy to think the Gateway BRT could just continue on as an all-day 94 bus into downtown Minneapolis with a stop at Snelling along the way (with a big connection to the A Line). An HOT lane would provide enough time savings to justify the slight slowdown. As a daily rider of the 94, I'd take that tradeoff.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby mulad » August 12th, 2015, 1:49 pm

Maybe 15 bridges rather than 50? That's an easy thing to mis-hear.

I seem to recall seeing a number of $400 million a few years back when I looked at a previous study that included HOT lanes (though I don't think it included any BRT stops). A pretty expensive bit of highway, though at least it's not Milwaukee...

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby seanrichardryan » August 13th, 2015, 7:30 am

Speaking is Snelling, the bridge reopens Sunday.
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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby froggie » August 14th, 2015, 10:11 am

As I recall, the bridges as far west as Western Ave were redone as part of the Capitol Interchange project in the early '90s, so I doubt those would need to be included.

Counting each I-94 mainline bridge as two separate bridges (which is usually the case), and including both bike-ped only and railroad bridges, I count 46 bridges between Western Ave and the 5th/6th St ramps in Minneapolis. Given the likelihood of replacement as part of an I-94 reconstruction, I included Hwy 280 bridges up to/including Franklin Ave (but not including the University bridge over 280).

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby trigonalmayhem » August 14th, 2015, 1:18 pm

I thought the scope extended to the Lowry tunnel?

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby froggie » August 14th, 2015, 1:37 pm

If so, then there would be well over 50 bridges (instead of 15) along the corridor. I just counted along the likely limits of the proposed HO/T lane, especially considering that bridges near the west end of Spaghetti Junction will be replaced as part of a separate project (including and especially the flyover from 35W towards the tunnel).

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Re: Interstate 94

Postby mattaudio » August 24th, 2015, 9:41 am

ST. PAUL MAP SHOWS HOW I-94 CUT THROUGH HEART OF CITY'S AFRICAN-AMERICAN NEIGHBORHOOD
http://www.citypages.com/news/st-paul-m ... od-6541556

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Re: Interstate 94

Postby FISHMANPET » August 24th, 2015, 9:47 am

So pretty much the only times I've driven in the last few weeks are 94 on Saturday afternoons. Why is traffic so horrible then? Is it just always terrible 24/7? Is this spillover from the west side road construction apocalypse? Something else?
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Re: Interstate 94

Postby MNdible » August 24th, 2015, 9:53 am

It turns out that wretched road moves a lot of people.

In my experience, traffic is heavy (if flowing) at pretty much all waking hours.

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Re: Interstate 94

Postby FISHMANPET » August 24th, 2015, 10:03 am

This Saturday, going West, it was literally stop and go, while Eastbound was almost completely clear. So bizarre.
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Re: Interstate 94

Postby mattaudio » August 24th, 2015, 10:58 am

MNdible wrote:moves a lot of people
FISHMANPET wrote:it was literally stop and go
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Re: Interstate 94

Postby EOst » August 24th, 2015, 11:53 am

mattaudio wrote:ST. PAUL MAP SHOWS HOW I-94 CUT THROUGH HEART OF CITY'S AFRICAN-AMERICAN NEIGHBORHOOD
http://www.citypages.com/news/st-paul-m ... od-6541556
I'm pretty sure most of you know how to find the original source for this map, but in case you don't, it's fully available online and chock full of interesting maps. For example, "structures unfit for habitation":

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Re: Interstate 94

Postby mattaudio » February 16th, 2016, 3:19 pm

East metro I-94 project gears up
The $53 million project is expected to extend the life of the freeway from St. Paul to Woodbury (Paywall)
http://finance-commerce.com/2016/02/eas ... -gears-up/

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Re: Interstate 94

Postby mulad » February 16th, 2016, 3:26 pm

There will be a meeting tomorrow night (Wednesday, February 17) to discuss replacing the Dale Street bridge over I-94. It will be held from 6:30 to 8 pm at the church at 285 Dale St. N.

https://twitter.com/RamseyCounty/status ... 0842988545
https://www.ramseycounty.us/residents/r ... expander-9

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Re: Interstate 94

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Re: Interstate 94

Postby mulad » June 13th, 2016, 1:38 pm

I've been meaning to say for a while that we do have some freeway lids in the state, but they're way up in Duluth on the north end of I-35. They're a bit strange, though, since they seem to be structures built up above the natural ground level. I'm not totally sure about that, though.

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Re: Interstate 94

Postby MNdible » June 13th, 2016, 2:13 pm

The "corner of the lake" tunnel is really an above grade structure; the others are cut and cover tunnels that had to be blasted through (very hard) bedrock.

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Re: Interstate 94

Postby RailBaronYarr » June 13th, 2016, 2:43 pm

Kinda crazy that we were able to build freeways like I-94 without including the real-estate purchase costs or relocation/new housing for residents in the actual project's budget, and then just build a 150-280' wide open cut trench with massive flyovers every so often, right? Imagine if we had held freeways, even ones we already built, to the design standards transit is held to today - would they have ever made financial sense?

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Re: Interstate 94

Postby mattaudio » June 13th, 2016, 2:51 pm

As we gear up for these urban freeway projects, another example being the 35W Lake Street Access Project... At some point we flip from merely maintaining what we have piecemeal, to rebuilding what we have. And that seems like a moral judgment and a very significant decision, that we wish to embrace the status quo that we've had for two generations to be our status quo for two future generations. We want to separate neighborhoods with bridges every half mile, with narrow sidewalks next to speeding traffic and overlooking freeway traffic. With multiple on/off ramps to cross-at-your-peril. We seem to be on auto-pilot for rebuilding this infrastructure as hostile to its neighbors as it has been for two generations, and that seems to be a wholly unacceptable decision.


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