Red Line (Cedar Avenue BRT)

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Re: Red Line (Cedar Avenue BRT)

Postby RailBaronYarr » November 3rd, 2016, 10:00 am

So I know it was hashed out a bit over a month ago, but reading the updated plans for the MOA transit station just had me thinking about the Red Line and through-routing. I know it's designed as a transfer point, but we have to admit the massive opportunity cost of not running the Red Line all the way from downtown to AV. We're spending a good amount of money making the RL faster in its current route (MOA, Cedar Grove inline station), and we're going to spend a bunch of other money on a Lake St Station, in addition to the 46th St Station. (we should also be building a station at 38th St, and the more all-day transit services we run on 35W, the more justification there is to do it).

The benefits of having a route that stops along all these major transfer points in South Minneapolis for a then-single-seat ride all the way to places AV makes it 1) a much faster trip for the people who currently have to manage a bunch of shitty transfers to get to jobs, and 2) more likely people will shift modes if it's single transfer. Yeah, I agree with everyone the land uses SOTR suck, but I mean holy crap I might actually consider taking the 38 to the RL to get to the outlet mall rather than driving. And, it may have been discussed earlier, but if we bought a few more buses (make them articulated perhaps?) and upped the frequencies at some point, we could use the RL as a replacement to some of the existing express services (yes, this could mean running every other RL as express from MOA-Downtown) offered by MVTA and let them operate more local feeders throughout the day with that budget. Which would be a good thing for the areas of Apple Valley that at least look like they're trying to do infill.

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Re: Red Line (Cedar Avenue BRT)

Postby SkyScraperKid » November 3rd, 2016, 1:33 pm

It was part of the plan to have some express red line buses in the mix that went to downtown(s). I forget if they were both or either which one. Due to poor ridership the expansion plans to get to that phase is coming at a snail's pace...

Considering poor ridership I don't see the justification for much more investment over other projects such as blue and green extensions and orange line. Once funding is secured for those segments, then funding for the rapid bus network will be the next priority. Having the occasional incremental phased in improvement along the red line is a healthy balance.

The new center medium station at the outlet mall will have a big positive impact. Wish they would next focus on building the Palomino station. If the Riverside corridor does end up being a bus route it sure would be nice to see it combined into the red line! Although if riverside needs the articulated busses, and the red line can't easily merge express routes into the red line to make it a smooth even ridership corridor then I guess even if it looks ugly on a map 2 small lines would be best.

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Re: Red Line (Cedar Avenue BRT)

Postby intercomnut » January 15th, 2017, 4:12 pm

Construction of the Cedar Grove online station is moving along.



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Re: Red Line (Cedar Avenue BRT)

Postby Tcmetro » April 19th, 2017, 9:38 am

Red line updates:

- Weekday service to be cut to every 20 minutes in August
- Cedar Grove Freeway station opens on May 20
- New 4:05/4:09 AM SB trip starting May 20
- Planning for CG and Cliff Stations underway, with meeting next Thursday (4/27/17) ... ve-may-20/ ... packet.pdf

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Re: Red Line (Cedar Avenue BRT)

Postby Silophant » April 19th, 2017, 9:55 am

So, planning for expensive new stations, while simultaneously cutting service? Wild.

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Re: Red Line (Cedar Avenue BRT)

Postby DanPatchToget » April 19th, 2017, 10:09 am

How is it supposed to gain new riders while serving only the current stations?

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Re: Red Line (Cedar Avenue BRT)

Postby MSPtoMKE » April 19th, 2017, 7:24 pm

Well, that's... disappointing... I was hoping that they would be able to use some of the running time savings with the opening of the online station (and possibly running a bit faster near MOA with the modified routing) to be able to expand 15 minute service to at least Saturdays so the Red Line would meet the minimum requirements of the High Frequency Network. Perhaps if the funding gap from the State is ever resolved?
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