Northside - General Topics

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Re: Northside - General Topics

Postby QuietBlue » December 6th, 2019, 1:52 pm

True, the geographic situations are different. But if they're going to restrict drive-throughs, it shouldn't just be because they're in areas where people will complain about them. Allowing it on W. Broadway would make it look like a business is getting a pass to do what they want just because they're on the Northside.

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Re: Northside - General Topics

Postby SurlyLHT » December 6th, 2019, 2:11 pm

They both might be allowed because they're pre-existing driverthrus and BK hired themselves some lawyers already who are arguing the legalities.

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Re: Northside - General Topics

Postby alexschief » January 24th, 2020, 10:17 am

The MPHA is proposing a really exciting project at 1600 Penn Ave N. It's a site that (via Streetview) has been vacant since at least 2007, and sits about a quarter mile from C Line stops on Golden Valley and Plymouth. The proposed building will be an energy efficient triplex, with excellent insulation and solar panels on the roof. The units will be available at 30% AMI.

MPHA's submission says that they will be using this project as a pilot. I hope it is successful and can be quickly replicated all over the city, not just in North Minneapolis, but in wealthier areas in the Southwest. There are few things that would be better for the city than a boom of energy-efficient triplex projects.

Submission here: https://lims.minneapolismn.gov/download ... ve%20N.pdf

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Re: Northside - General Topics

Postby BoredAgain » January 24th, 2020, 10:44 am

alexschief wrote:
January 24th, 2020, 10:17 am
The MPHA is proposing a really exciting project at 1600 Penn Ave N. It's a site that (via Streetview) has been vacant since at least 2007, and sits about a quarter mile from C Line stops on Golden Valley and Plymouth. The proposed building will be an energy efficient triplex, with excellent insulation and solar panels on the roof. The units will be available at 30% AMI.

MPHA's submission says that they will be using this project as a pilot. I hope it is successful and can be quickly replicated all over the city, not just in North Minneapolis, but in wealthier areas in the Southwest. There are few things that would be better for the city than a boom of energy-efficient triplex projects.

Submission here: https://lims.minneapolismn.gov/download ... ve%20N.pdf
Affordable, sustainable triplexes all over the city would be great, but this one is pretty clearly designed specifically for a corner lot and requires rezoning from R1A up to R4. They might get it approved for this site, but if you want lots of triplex construction all over, then they will need to be "by right" developments.

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Re: Northside - General Topics

Postby SurlyLHT » January 24th, 2020, 10:50 am

This corridor is slowly densifying with everything going up on on Broadway/Penn, Golden Valley/Pen and Plymouth/Penn. This is despite an increase in gun violence. The realtor's body was found in an alley a few blocks from this proposal and on 16th and Russell an SUV crashed with driver shot after a rolling gun battle during the tough month of Dec.The empty lots are also filling. on Thomas between 16th and Golden Valley two homes are going up and the basement is staked for a third. Weird how development and crime can co-exist.

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Re: Northside - General Topics

Postby UrsusUrbanicus » January 24th, 2020, 1:23 pm

SurlyLHT wrote:
January 24th, 2020, 10:50 am
Weird how development and crime can co-exist.
It's true, isn't it?

I've long suspected that frenetic news coverage of Crime™ is just a tool aimed at playing to the anxieties of a rich suburban demographic and/or inducing them to move farther and farther out to ever-more-unsustainable exurban distances. ("Oh my goodness, there was a shooting here in EDEN PRAIRIE the other day! That's not supposed to happen in OUR community!!1!11!!") The reality may be that 60-70% of urban crime traces back to known individuals playing out their beefs with one another -- but that narrative doesn't serve media sensationalism and keep eyes glued to the set for SUV ads.

This, of course, isn't to minimize the tragic impact of that crime on the families, friends, and communities of those involved. And even with known-individual crime, there is still bystander risk. But that's precisely why we have social and governmental institutions that take on crime as their mission. Irresponsible overstatement of the risk by parties with an axe to grind just further sucks life out of troubled areas.

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Re: Northside - General Topics

Postby SurlyLHT » January 24th, 2020, 3:22 pm

UrsusUrbanicus wrote:
January 24th, 2020, 1:23 pm
SurlyLHT wrote:
January 24th, 2020, 10:50 am
Weird how development and crime can co-exist.
It's true, isn't it?

I've long suspected that frenetic news coverage of Crime™ is just a tool aimed at playing to the anxieties of a rich suburban demographic and/or inducing them to move farther and farther out to ever-more-unsustainable exurban distances. ("Oh my goodness, there was a shooting here in EDEN PRAIRIE the other day! That's not supposed to happen in OUR community!!1!11!!") The reality may be that 60-70% of urban crime traces back to known individuals playing out their beefs with one another -- but that narrative doesn't serve media sensationalism and keep eyes glued to the set for SUV ads.

This, of course, isn't to minimize the tragic impact of that crime on the families, friends, and communities of those involved. And even with known-individual crime, there is still bystander risk. But that's precisely why we have social and governmental institutions that take on crime as their mission. Irresponsible overstatement of the risk by parties with an axe to grind just further sucks life out of troubled areas.

I think it is a matter of future expectations and economics. Lower costs in the Northside and the expectation that crime will continue to decline lead to expectations that demand will continue for housing and etc. This is more acute in Harrison and etc.

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Re: Northside - General Topics

Postby VacantLuxuries » January 24th, 2020, 3:35 pm

UrsusUrbanicus wrote: I've long suspected that frenetic news coverage of Crime™ is just a tool aimed at playing to the anxieties of a rich suburban demographic and/or inducing them to move farther and farther out to ever-more-unsustainable exurban distances. ("Oh my goodness, there was a shooting here in EDEN PRAIRIE the other day! That's not supposed to happen in OUR community!!1!11!!") The reality may be that 60-70% of urban crime traces back to known individuals playing out their beefs with one another -- but that narrative doesn't serve media sensationalism and keep eyes glued to the set for SUV ads.

This, of course, isn't to minimize the tragic impact of that crime on the families, friends, and communities of those involved. And even with known-individual crime, there is still bystander risk. But that's precisely why we have social and governmental institutions that take on crime as their mission. Irresponsible overstatement of the risk by parties with an axe to grind just further sucks life out of troubled areas.
It would be interesting to see the breakdown of how much of a percentage real estate ads (and maybe Center of the American Experiment ads, if my experience on StarTribune.com are anything to go by...) contribute to the dwindling pool of print news revenue.

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Re: Northside - General Topics

Postby lordmoke » January 28th, 2020, 10:53 am

Decent sized apartment building proposed near future Blue Line in North: https://lims.minneapolismn.gov/download ... errace.pdf

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Re: Northside - General Topics

Postby SurlyLHT » January 28th, 2020, 11:55 am

I love how this abuts Olson Memorial, the open space now creates a huge void. It should also be noted that this is a block or so from the C Line stops. Related, I would love to see something done to make 55 easier to cross here. A lot of people are going to the school and Summit Academy. Olson cuts the neighborhood up so badly. (An aside, where did you find this report, I didn't see it where I usually find the reports on the city's site. Did they move them?)

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Re: Northside - General Topics

Postby Anondson » January 28th, 2020, 4:44 pm

It sounded like this was to be built to replace the townhouses just south of it. Is that correct? By being built on that strange open space along 55, there would be no displacement.

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Re: Northside - General Topics

Postby Silophant » January 28th, 2020, 4:49 pm

If I'm reading the packet correctly, this will be built to replace those townhouses, and then the residents of the townhouses will be moved into the new building before the townhouses are demolished, avoiding displacement. Which is great, but I don't understand why the townhouses are being demolished before there's a redevelopment proposal for that site. Like, leave them there instead of just moving the grassy field around.

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Re: Northside - General Topics

Postby Silophant » January 31st, 2020, 11:48 am

Bizjournals article about the project. Apparently the townhomes will be demolished because they're literally falling apart, with cracked and sloped foundations. The townhome development used to include the empty space where this new building will be going, but those were in such bad shape that they were demolished 45 years ago.

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Re: Northside - General Topics

Postby HiawathaGuy » February 7th, 2020, 10:24 am

SurlyLHT wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 4:09 pm
The Burger King on W Broadway is going to reopen, their lawyers are asking for a variance for the drive-thru. This would be nice given how terrible the abandoned store looks.
Burger King restaurants will reopen with drive-thru lanes, despite Minneapolis ban

Guess they're having it their way.

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Re: Northside - General Topics

Postby alexschief » February 7th, 2020, 1:33 pm

The outcome sucks, but after listening a bit to the discussion yesterday, I'm mostly convinced that the alternative was a costly lawsuit defeat. While colloquially these properties were "abandoned," and as a result should've lost their grandfathered non-conforming status and come under the new drive-thru rules, I don't think the law would've seen it that way. Discretion being the better part of valor, I think the city made the right move here.


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