Alia Tower - 200 Central - 483' / 40 Stories

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby bapster2006 » September 8th, 2016, 9:40 am

Braun Intertec was out drilling in the parking lot the other day, and the "free building" sign is down so this one is moving along.

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby twincitizen » September 26th, 2016, 8:08 am

"Neighbors for East Bank Livability" filed an appeal of the Planning Commission approval. It's on the agenda for this Thursday at 9:30am. Please attend and speak in favor of the project if you can make it.
http://stopalatus.blogspot.com/

Looks like they're raising money for a lawsuit too: https://twitter.com/WedgeLIVE/status/77 ... wsrc%5Etfw

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby nBode » September 26th, 2016, 8:14 am

People donating $56,000 to this is pathetic.

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby matthew5080 » September 26th, 2016, 9:27 am

They seem like such a lovely bunch of people, especially those running the twitter account. Not mad and bitter at all.

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby Nathan » September 26th, 2016, 9:33 am

What are the chances of a law suit talking this down anyways? They have neighborhood association support right? And it's a no brainer for the city to approve? What grounds do they have?

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby acs » September 26th, 2016, 9:36 am

Money.

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby grant1simons2 » September 26th, 2016, 9:45 am

They're going to have to come up with a hell of a lot more to persuade the city. Tax revenue for 200 Central is going to be high.

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby twincitizen » September 26th, 2016, 10:26 am

If they do take the city to court, I really can't see a judge giving this the time of day. There has been a long public process with multiple public hearings, including appeals at both HPC and now Planning Commission. People opposed to the project have had ample opportunity to make their objections known. They have lost (after Thursday morning anyways) and apparently are willing to pay a lawyer several thousand dollars so they can lose again in court, when a judge immediately rules in favor of the city.

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby mister.shoes » September 26th, 2016, 11:04 am

"Tax-deductible donation"? Sounds more like a get-rich-quick scheme for some lawyers.

1. Set up non-profit to "fight" a development
2. Solicit donations from peeps by appealing to their animal instincts
3. "Fight" the development in court, lose, pocket money
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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby amiller92 » September 27th, 2016, 9:18 am

twincitizen wrote:If they do take the city to court, I really can't see a judge giving this the time of day. There has been a long public process with multiple public hearings, including appeals at both HPC and now Planning Commission. People opposed to the project have had ample opportunity to make their objections known. They have lost (after Thursday morning anyways) and apparently are willing to pay a lawyer several thousand dollars so they can lose again in court, when a judge immediately rules in favor of the city.
Are the historic structures gone?

ETA: Are the height restrictions in historic district guidelines a resource? (Wouldn't think so, but I don't know anything).

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby TroyGBiv » September 27th, 2016, 3:40 pm

You can't just "set up a tax deductible organization" - it takes years... This would seem to be very sketchy...

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby bapster2006 » September 29th, 2016, 8:29 am

They should not say "tax-deductible" anyways. They should say "check with your tax advisor". I question the $54,000 amount. People like to complain but people do not like to send in $1,000 checks for a cause like this that they will most likely lose. On their Facebook link they had a few comments and both of them were pro for the building.

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby mattaudio » September 29th, 2016, 9:36 am

I'm fairly certain that spending this much money on lawyers - lobbying in essence - is not compatible with 501(c)3 status. There are specific limits regarding the amount of political activity, "Educational" activity, etc allowed for those organizations. Maybe this should be a 501(c)4? They should be audited.

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby Silophant » September 29th, 2016, 9:48 am

Appeal denied.

They can still appeal to the full council, though, right? And then presumably the Governor, the President, and God Himself?

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby twincitizen » September 29th, 2016, 1:31 pm

Silophant wrote:Appeal denied.

They can still appeal to the full council, though, right?
Nope. The committee action (denying the appeal) will be placed on the next council meeting agenda for final decision, and it won't be a public hearing. There's no further action for the appellant to take (aside from the seemingly inevitable lawsuit)

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby nBode » September 29th, 2016, 2:43 pm

Would a lawsuit prevent construction?

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby amiller92 » September 29th, 2016, 3:37 pm

If they can get a judge to issue a temporary restraining order it would. That would depend on the alleged harm and preliminary read on their likelihood of success.

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby mattaudio » September 29th, 2016, 4:02 pm

I can't imagine a TRO for construction... That's something we've seen for demolition. But if a developer knows there's litigation pending and decide to move ahead anyways, that's risk they're taking on rather than risk borne by the public or the plaintiff (such as demolishing a historic resource).

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby amiller92 » September 29th, 2016, 4:14 pm

If the historic structures are gone, it's hard to even know what the claim would be, but yeah hard to see the harm to plaintiff in starting construction vs. tearing down.

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Re: 200 Central - Alatus Tower (Washburn-McReavy Site) 483' / 40 Stories

Postby uncle phil » September 29th, 2016, 4:24 pm

They could do something like a judge did with the Terrace Theater...require the plaintiff to come up with a significant amount of money as a bond. In that case, it's about $6 million.


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