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Re: Apartments vs. Condos | Renting vs. Owning

Posted: February 8th, 2017, 8:07 am
by twincitizen
Developers trying out small condo projects (Locked)

Finally, someone other than Shamrock (Stanton) are looking at building condos.
Includes CPM's proposed Parkway on Calhoun. They'll potentially do more on the right sites, but will continue to primarily develop rentals.

Re: Apartments vs. Condos | Renting vs. Owning

Posted: August 30th, 2017, 9:14 pm
by Didier
Does anyone know of a reliable source to find estimated local utility costs? I've been playing around with St. Paul and Minneapolis, but I'm finding you really have to piece things together, and some of the information out there is basically worthless (e.g. the Minneapolis water costs page).

Based on what I'm finding, for a pretty standard SFH, you're looking at:

Garbage
St. Paul: $32
Minneapolis: $25

Water
St Paul: $25
Minneapolis: Who knows?

Gas/Electricity
(Too tired to dig right now, but figure this varies more than the others)

Property taxes, too. I'm finding three main sources — the reality websites, smartasset.com, and League of Minnesota Cities — but these estimates vary quite a bit. I also tried using the county records, based on the addresses of houses currently for sale, but that got complicated.

Any thoughts?

Re: Apartments vs. Condos | Renting vs. Owning

Posted: August 31st, 2017, 9:05 am
by gpete
In Minneapolis, my single family home bill for water/sewer/trash is always between $65 and $75

This month it was
Water: 18.65
Sewer: 15.45
Refuse: 28.35
Drainage: 9.27

Best place to look up property taxes in Hennepin County is here: https://gis.hennepin.us/property/map/default.aspx

Re: Apartments vs. Condos | Renting vs. Owning

Posted: August 31st, 2017, 9:37 am
by amiller92
gpete wrote:
August 31st, 2017, 9:05 am
In Minneapolis, my single family home bill for water/sewer/trash is always between $65 and $75
Mines typically around $90. Wonder what's different.

I keep meaning to trade my large trash bin for a smaller one, which would save a little I think.

Re: Apartments vs. Condos | Renting vs. Owning

Posted: August 31st, 2017, 9:57 am
by LakeCharles
amiller92 wrote:
August 31st, 2017, 9:37 am
gpete wrote:
August 31st, 2017, 9:05 am
In Minneapolis, my single family home bill for water/sewer/trash is always between $65 and $75
Mines typically around $90. Wonder what's different.

I keep meaning to trade my large trash bin for a smaller one, which would save a little I think.
You save $2. But we don't fill it up anyway, and it's much easier to maneuver and store, so it's worth it even if the money's not huge.

Re: Apartments vs. Condos | Renting vs. Owning

Posted: August 31st, 2017, 10:03 am
by seanrichardryan
St Paul bills water usage/service quarterly. Stormwater is billed yearly. Trash is private.

Broken down, I pay about 86 average a month for water/ service charges with inground sprinklers, a few 'water features', and a vast thirsty plant collection.
Trash- I pay for the whole year at once- breaks down to $24 month for a 96gal can.
Standard city lot- 91.44 year for storm water

Re: Apartments vs. Condos | Renting vs. Owning

Posted: August 31st, 2017, 12:08 pm
by MNdible
LakeCharles wrote:
August 31st, 2017, 9:57 am
You save $2. But we don't fill it up anyway, and it's much easier to maneuver and store, so it's worth it even if the money's not huge.
The downside of the smaller bin (as I understand it) is that everything has to be individually bagged, because the truck lifts can't pick them up and so they have to be emptied by hand.

Typically, the thing that will vary month-to-month on Minneapolis Utilities is water usage. Sewage is based on an average of water usage during the winter months (because lawn and garden watering in the summer doesn't use any sewage).

Drainage may also vary depending on the city's determination of permeability on your lot.

Re: Apartments vs. Condos | Renting vs. Owning

Posted: August 31st, 2017, 12:23 pm
by LakeCharles
MNdible wrote:
August 31st, 2017, 12:08 pm
LakeCharles wrote:
August 31st, 2017, 9:57 am
You save $2. But we don't fill it up anyway, and it's much easier to maneuver and store, so it's worth it even if the money's not huge.
The downside of the smaller bin (as I understand it) is that everything has to be individually bagged, because the truck lifts can't pick them up and so they have to be emptied by hand.

Typically, the thing that will vary month-to-month on Minneapolis Utilities is water usage. Sewage is based on an average of water usage during the winter months (because lawn and garden watering in the summer doesn't use any sewage).

Drainage may also vary depending on the city's determination of permeability on your lot.
Well if that is true, then our garbage collector must hate us, because we don't do that. But they haven't ever said anything in 3+ years.

Re: Apartments vs. Condos | Renting vs. Owning

Posted: August 31st, 2017, 12:30 pm
by MNdible
They may hate you:
Minneapolis Solid Waste wrote:Small garbage carts hold 32 gallons and have a monthly disposal fee of $2. Maximum weight for cart and contents is 40 pounds. All garbage in small carts must be bagged or the cart may not be serviced.

Re: Apartments vs. Condos | Renting vs. Owning

Posted: August 31st, 2017, 12:42 pm
by Scottie
I think the website might be out of date regarding the small carts. I'm usually still home when they empty my small cart and they use the lift. Same thing with the organics cart which is the small size. I'm guessing they updated the lifts when they rolled out the organics recycling.

Re: Apartments vs. Condos | Renting vs. Owning

Posted: May 4th, 2018, 2:00 pm
by Anondson
The Great Housing Reset.

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/05/ ... et/559466/

The drop in ownership and rise in renting may be a long term trend controlled far more by trends in the economy requiring a workforce that can relocate easier.

Re: Apartments vs. Condos | Renting vs. Owning

Posted: September 11th, 2019, 7:19 pm
by twincitizen
Article (from 2017) summarizing the then-recent changes to MN law regarding construction defects, lawsuits, etc. Obviously the law change was pretty subtle and has not resulted in a flurry of condo projects since.

https://minnlawyer.com/2017/09/15/how-c ... velopment/

Re: Apartments vs. Condos | Renting vs. Owning

Posted: September 11th, 2019, 9:05 pm
by Anondson
At. All.