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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby Minneapolisite » August 21st, 2014, 7:25 am

There is a nice bodega on Harmon, but pretty much has the same things you can find a block away at Lunds for cheaper. They do sell Sebastian Joes and lotto tickets though.

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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby mattaudio » August 21st, 2014, 8:25 am

Lotto tickets are part of a nutritious, balanced diet.

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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby Silophant » August 21st, 2014, 1:11 pm

Minneapolisite wrote:There is a nice bodega on Harmon, but pretty much has the same things you can find a block away at Lunds for cheaper. They do sell Sebastian Joes and lotto tickets though.
And Heggie's pizza!

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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby Lancestar2 » September 10th, 2014, 2:37 pm

Does anybody have any more information relating to Hy-Vee's expansion into the twin cities? Currently I believe the we are looking at stores in New Hope, Maple Grove, Lakeville, Oakdale, Eagan, and Shakopee. Granted in Shakopee they don't have the rights to the property yet, but they seem interested enough to attempt to work out a deal.

Any rumors or other potential places they may seem interested in? Also does anybody else know more information about Hy-vee's existing metro markets and have a better idea of what we could expect to see? About how many locations do you think the market can hold? With the bigger store layouts will they need to be spaced farther apart than existing grocers such as Cub? Just wonder if anybody has better insights into the grocery store market. Also any predictions as to what the future grocery market will look like and, do you think that Cub will be able to survive in say 10 to 15 years? Thoughts?

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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby Wedgeguy » September 10th, 2014, 6:42 pm

HyVee is based out of Des Moines and has several stores across southern Minnesota. I believe that Rochester and Mankato have at least 2 stores at opposite ends of their cities. HyVee will most likely stay in the burbs where they have a large big box layout similar to Cubs. Yes, It will put much more pressure on Super Value to get their debt and costs under control.

For what it is worth, HyVee is non union so that might make for some picketing by the union once they try and open stores.

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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby Lancestar2 » September 13th, 2014, 3:22 pm

Wedgeguy wrote:HyVee is based out of Des Moines and has several stores across southern Minnesota. I believe that Rochester and Mankato have at least 2 stores at opposite ends of their cities. HyVee will most likely stay in the burbs where they have a large big box layout similar to Cubs. Yes, It will put much more pressure on Super Value to get their debt and costs under control.

For what it is worth, HyVee is non union so that might make for some picketing by the union once they try and open stores.
In what ways do you envision Cub having to change to gain sound footing again? You mentioned Cub has debt? Is there a great deal of debt, and how will that play a part in Cub's future? I know Supervalu is more focused on wholesale then retail could that mean Cub Foods may have the same fate as Rainbow when there parent company saw difficult waters ahead?

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...and then there were 4 Rainbow Foods... The West St. Paul location has a interested party looking to redevelop? Could that be Hy-Vee? Not sure who else would be so aggressive in wanting to build new stores that is not already in that retail community.

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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby Wedgeguy » September 15th, 2014, 12:13 pm

I do not see Cub having to change their square footage as much as they will have to deal with a company that will require them to have better customer service, better pricing, and better sale products in their fliers; which at this point I've always been disappointed in compared to Rainbows ads. Another issue that will be a challenge will be that HyVee is non union at most of their stores if not all.

Back in the 90's Supervalu bought up Albertson which was a large grocery chain in the western states for what they thought would be larger size makes for better deals for product. All it meant for them was larger headaches as some of the Albertson chains were in trouble and it only got worse. They ended up selling parts of it of to repay some of their debt. But Supervalu still has a fairly large outstanding debt load to asset ratio.

I see HyVee putting more pressure on the Super pair, Walmart and Target with their prices and customer service. Their perishables and meats are always well stocked compared to the Supers. It would be a paper for a marketing graduate student as to what will happen in the next 2-3 years in the grocery business here in the Twin Cities. We will see if there is a further shake out in the competition.

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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby xandrex » September 15th, 2014, 3:24 pm

I'm not a grocery store analyst, but I'd guess that it's the middle-of-the-road type places like Cub that actually will get hit hard first. Wal-Mart and Target aren't all-in with grocery and I think they attract a different type of shopper than those who shop at Cub. I know I essentially choose between three stores: I either go to Target (the Quarry, particularly, but I shop at Roseville on occasion) or Lunds/Whole Foods. Cub and Rainbow scarcely cross my mind, especially since I've never found their prices to be that great. They're easy pickings, especially when the model is the same.

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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby MNdible » September 15th, 2014, 3:47 pm

Although our household does pretty well, I'd never consider shopping at Lund's/Byerly's/WholeFoods on a regular basis (I do occasionally end up there for a specialty item or because it happens to be close by). The price difference is just too much, and I don't need to shop in a grocery store with mood lighting.

And although we do semi-regularly shop at Target (only because we find ourselves there already for something else), I've never been impressed with either their selection or price.

I greatly prefer shopping a Cub or ex-Rainbow, and I find that if you pay attention to what's on sale, you can consistently and often significantly save money over shopping at Target (which rarely has much on sale).

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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby FISHMANPET » September 15th, 2014, 4:54 pm

I gotta say, I much prefer Target's Deli meat to Rainbow or Cub. I wasn't too scientific about it, but I came to the conclusion that with my Target Red Card that gets me 5% off at Target, Target came out pretty equal to shopping at Rainbow (I've always been a Rainbow guy and I have no idea why). Most of my staples I try and get at Aldi because they're much cheaper there too.

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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby xandrex » September 16th, 2014, 8:43 am

MNdible wrote:Although our household does pretty well, I'd never consider shopping at Lund's/Byerly's/WholeFoods on a regular basis (I do occasionally end up there for a specialty item or because it happens to be close by). The price difference is just too much, and I don't need to shop in a grocery store with mood lighting.

And although we do semi-regularly shop at Target (only because we find ourselves there already for something else), I've never been impressed with either their selection or price.

I greatly prefer shopping a Cub or ex-Rainbow, and I find that if you pay attention to what's on sale, you can consistently and often significantly save money over shopping at Target (which rarely has much on sale).
Lunds/Whole Foods really only win with produce. I can't speak to all Cub/Rainbows, but I've always found produce lackluster yet still expensive. I haven't had that issue when shopping at the more "high end" places. Of course, if you're shopping packaged food at all, then just about anywhere that has a sale will be fine (Lunds and Whole Foods certainly won't be giving you a discount in this regard and quality is no better).

I don't know what Target you shop at, but they've been pushing hard into grocery for quite a while. In the past, I've worked on and off for the good ol' Bullseye and distinctly remember how much stuff in grocery went on sale (as someone who had to pull down all the sale signs). If you like Market Pantry, Archer Farms, or Simply Balanced (all store brands), then you'll find those are almost always on sale on a rotating basis. Combined with Cartwheel (an underutilized tool, frankly) and the 5% off with the RedCard and you can pretty easily chop a huge chunk off your grocery bill (or whatever else you're buying).

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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby MNdible » September 16th, 2014, 9:07 am

I'm comparing the newer Targets with "full grocery". If I end up at one, it's usually the Richfield store off of 77 or the Southdale store. But, no, I'm not impressed with their selection.

I appreciate that a Cub has an actual meat department with actual butchers -- this is where Target really falls short, with their very limited selection of over-priced pre-packaged meats. I'll agree that the produce isn't spectacular, but I still think it's better than Target, where (like the meat department) everything seems pre-packaged.

I probably pay more attention to grocery prices than I should, but in general, when something is on sale at Target, it usually has a big SALE sign with small print noting that you're saving 7 cents. And I do have a Red Card. But in my anecdotal research, I'm quite certain that a smart shopper will save significantly at a Cub.

And, even though I'm not a full-throated union backer, I do appreciate that Cub is a union shop.

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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby xandrex » September 16th, 2014, 10:45 am

Fair enough. If you're a bargain hunter, Cub very well might have better options. I know that one of my friends swears by Cub because of their deals, but he isn't one to eat particularly healthy (lots of frozen and packaged foods) with almost no fruit or veggies in his condo. And he's willing to drive around for a deal--which frankly, probably negates the few cents he's saving. I just want to get in, get the stuff I need, and go (hopefully saving money in the process).

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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby Lancestar2 » November 15th, 2014, 7:24 pm

In regards to Hy-Vee's expansion currently has stores planned for New Hope, Oakdale, and Lakeville with a possible store in Shakopee pending a deal with a local tenant vacating existing space. The Maple grove location dropped.

While Cub plans to build a new store in White Bear Lake (on old Kmart site)
Plus we seen 2 more Rainbow foods locations close bringing the total down to 4 stores. Seems kinda odd to continue an expensive marketing such as newspaper inserts and coupons for now only 4 stores. I did notice that Rainbow now sells Essential Everyday products which are supplied via SuperValu.

I think the coming grocery wars in the twin cities market are going to get pretty interesting!

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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby FISHMANPET » November 15th, 2014, 8:27 pm

Yeah a Rainbow is identical to a cub now, as they're selling the same products and (at least in the cub-rainbow pair on Lake St) run by the same company, so there's no difference. Since the Rainbows were kept Rainbows because they were too close to existing Cubs, I can't imagine any of them lasting very long. I honestly don't know what they were thinking, it couldn't have been cheap to replace all the product in the store and rehire/retrain all the employees.

Actually, something I'm curious about. What did they do with all the inventory when they switched over? Did Roundy's keep the Roundy's products and ship them to another DC? Did Cub just donate all the Roundy's products to a food bank or something and keep the name brand products around?

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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby blobs » November 15th, 2014, 9:59 pm

If Cub had a better deli I would shop there, instead I will shop at Kowalski's, Lakewinds or Lund's. Not impressed with the Target deli but their shelf items generally are not expensive. Does Hyvee have good deli items?

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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby LakeCharles » November 17th, 2014, 10:02 am

FISHMANPET wrote:Actually, something I'm curious about. What did they do with all the inventory when they switched over? Did Roundy's keep the Roundy's products and ship them to another DC? Did Cub just donate all the Roundy's products to a food bank or something and keep the name brand products around?
At the Uptown Rainbow, they stopped stocking the Roundy's products, and put them on steep discount (before everything else went to discount), so they were mostly gone.

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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby seanrichardryan » November 17th, 2014, 7:21 pm

I miss the Roundy's products. Much better than 'Essential everyday'.
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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby mattaudio » November 17th, 2014, 7:30 pm

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Re: Grocery Stores

Postby FISHMANPET » November 17th, 2014, 7:40 pm

Every time I come across a Roundy's product in my cooking I feel the need to pour out an ounce for my fallen homie.


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