The Commons - Downtown East Park
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Well, here's the situation right now:
Some problems with "Downtown East":
- The "Downtown East" development (Wells Fargo/Commons) is half inside Downtown West
- Half of Downtown East (the neighborhood) is already called something else, the Mill District
- The surrounding area doesn't have a strong brand, and is starting to be pulled into "Downtown East" (like the Armory or the KA project) the brand despite being outside Downtown East (the neighborhood)
- It only makes sense as a name in combination with another name, Downtown West, which isn't in use
Even the area directly west of the 5th Ave Ramp Wall feels a bit like different neighborhood than the Downtown of 8th and Nicollet. People might feel like those places were a little more Placelike if they were able to identify what those places were.
Some problems with "Downtown East":
- The "Downtown East" development (Wells Fargo/Commons) is half inside Downtown West
- Half of Downtown East (the neighborhood) is already called something else, the Mill District
- The surrounding area doesn't have a strong brand, and is starting to be pulled into "Downtown East" (like the Armory or the KA project) the brand despite being outside Downtown East (the neighborhood)
- It only makes sense as a name in combination with another name, Downtown West, which isn't in use
Even the area directly west of the 5th Ave Ramp Wall feels a bit like different neighborhood than the Downtown of 8th and Nicollet. People might feel like those places were a little more Placelike if they were able to identify what those places were.
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Did you make that? That's pretty slick.
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Re: The Commons - Downtown East Park
It's been pointed out before that the "Downtown East" moniker has never really been in public use. Up until maybe 3 years ago with the stadium announcement and subsequent press coverage, it really only existed inside city planning documents and whatnot. It's never really been something people go around saying out loud in public.
My take:
1. The "Downtown East Project" bubble on your map will effectively become just an extension of downtown proper, given the office use and skyway connection.
2. The "Mill District" might as well extend past Washington to 3rd St, considering that the south side of Washington will soon be fully developed in a pretty similar and complimentary fashion.
3. That leaves the stadium itself, which doesn't really matter what "neighborhood" it's in. The stadium, plaza, park, etc. will effectively be referred to as "the stadium".
4. What's left after making those changes is essentially the current boundaries of the Elliot Park neighborhood. So why not just stick with that instead of coming up with some convoluted new name that will struggle/fail to catch on?
EDIT: Looks like acs and MNdible pretty much already covered it.
My take:
1. The "Downtown East Project" bubble on your map will effectively become just an extension of downtown proper, given the office use and skyway connection.
2. The "Mill District" might as well extend past Washington to 3rd St, considering that the south side of Washington will soon be fully developed in a pretty similar and complimentary fashion.
3. That leaves the stadium itself, which doesn't really matter what "neighborhood" it's in. The stadium, plaza, park, etc. will effectively be referred to as "the stadium".
4. What's left after making those changes is essentially the current boundaries of the Elliot Park neighborhood. So why not just stick with that instead of coming up with some convoluted new name that will struggle/fail to catch on?
EDIT: Looks like acs and MNdible pretty much already covered it.
I think Downtown East is a pretty meaningless and useless term. I'd recommend that we have the Mill District and Elliott Park, and they're divided by the Commons and the stadium, which is its own little district to itself.
I'd argue this statement holds true for over 90% of Minneapolitans as well, not just Minnesotans. "Downtown East" is not, and has never been a thing, outside the small circle of city planners, urbanist nerds, and the press.Somebody needs to beat it into their skulls that for 99% of Minnesotans there is no downtown east or west or WeDo or East villiage. It's just Downtown Minneapolis. Why is that so hard?
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Both 'town' & 'village' imply small-scale neighborhoods, of which there are none. Anything trying to sound NewYorky is just ridiculous.
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Except for twelve years of LRT station naming.It's been pointed out before that the "Downtown East" moniker has never really been in public use. Up until maybe 3 years ago with the stadium announcement and subsequent press coverage, it really only existed inside city planning documents and whatnot. It's never really been something people go around saying out loud in public.
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"Downtown East" is not, and has never been a thing, outside the small circle of city planners, urbanist nerds, and the press.
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Thanks, it's easier than it looks. See anything to add?Did you make that? That's pretty slick.
Maybe. Even though Target Field is to some extent in "the Target Field area," I think that it (and the neighborhood) both benefit from it also being part of the Warehouse District/North Loop. So I don't see any harm in trying to graft on a new brand for this area, especially one as underdefined as this.3. That leaves the stadium itself, which doesn't really matter what "neighborhood" it's in. The stadium, plaza, park, etc. will effectively be referred to as "the stadium".
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Take the survey (before 2/28): http://millcitytimes.com/opinion/renami ... ntown.html
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Elliot Park ... Mill District ... EP ... MD ...
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E..P..M..D.. 4 letters...4 Washington Lane! The next clue is at the White House!Elliot Park ... Mill District ... EP ... MD ...
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...Eden Prairie Must Die?!?Elliot Park ... Mill District ... EP ... MD ...
EPMD!
Edited to add one that notes the large portion of the area taken up by North Central's campus: Entrenched Proselytizers Minimize Development.
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Eric & parish makin dollars
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-1Elliot Park ... Mill District ... EP ... MD ...
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All the points to you for getting the jokeEric & parish makin dollars
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Jeezus. I can't even get two character posts right...-1Elliot Park ... Mill District ... EP ... MD ...
EPMD!
That should have been:
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So, is there an actual completion date for the park?
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Looks like trees are going into the park today. It's nice to see some tangible progress rather than just moving dirt. Trees also went in around the parking ramp nearby.
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