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Re: 729 Washington Av N

Postby phop » January 6th, 2016, 4:10 pm

"The project is grossly out of scale with the rest of the community: more than 700 neighborhood residents have signed a petition opposing the development as it is currently proposed," said John Braun, a lawyer from Thomas Law Group, in the press release. "Given that enormity of public outcry, Greco would have to be totally tone-deaf not to re-work their design to make it a better fit here. Anything less is going to invite criticism, community discontent and very likely litigation."
On what planet would there be grounds for litigation?

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Re: 729 Washington Av N

Postby grant1simons2 » January 6th, 2016, 4:11 pm

I want to see the petition. What did it say? Did people know what they were signing? Where are these people living?

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Re: 729 Washington Av N

Postby swallman » January 6th, 2016, 4:16 pm

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Re: 729 Washington Av N

Postby acs » January 6th, 2016, 4:18 pm

Typical NIMBY crap, it's too tall and needs more parking.

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Re: 729 Washington Av N

Postby swallman » January 6th, 2016, 4:21 pm

I used to live right across from Bunkers and when this was proposed I had some concerns about the scale of it (and it's gotten even larger since then)...I think the first 4 floors are solely because of the extra parking needed because they're losing a ton of parking due to the construction.

And I do live in the North Loop...how many others here do?

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Re: 729 Washington Av N

Postby twincitizen » January 6th, 2016, 4:30 pm

Oh I see how they got 700 signatures on a petition... They put it in a bar.
Pretty easy to drum up support for your cause by claiming that your business is being endangered.

I still don't believe that this opposition is the reason for tabling the development. The stormwater tunnel issue seems like a pretty big one that perhaps just couldn't be resolved. They may have to restructure the project entirely.

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Re: 729 Washington Av N

Postby TroyGBiv » January 6th, 2016, 5:00 pm

I know a ton a people who live within 2 to 3 blocks in that neighborhood and they all want more density so that there will be more options for them in tweets of services and resources. The NIMBY issue is a problem everywhere... I live in Whittier (since 1986) and we have this battle all the time... too much density and yet not enough resources and retail diversity... empty, poorly lit streets and rising street crime - - and then rejection of any proposed residential structure that would bring in people 24 7... it is a double edged sword... live by it and die by it... my disappointment with the North Loop subgroup is that this is a dense urban neighborhood and it will only benefit from a project like this that adds to the neighborhood and also provides great space and more parking... I stopped frequenting the neighborhood because so often I can't find parking anywhere near my destination... I feel like neighborhoods don't really understand that there are very real compromises that need to be made...

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Re: 729 Washington Av N

Postby Wedgeguy » January 6th, 2016, 7:28 pm

I'd say that 700 signatures are from the Bunkers and have nothing to do with the condo People. It should not matter because Bunker customers are not to park in that lot anyway. Greco can get back at Bunkers by having boot caps put on every car that illegally parks in that lot. That would basically shut down Bunkers because no one would want to pay a $100+to be able to get their car out of being immobilized. Just a few cars a night would be profitable for them and the word of mouth would hit Bunkers in the pocketbook.

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Re: 729 Washington Av N

Postby acs » January 6th, 2016, 7:54 pm

While I support the proposal and want it to be built to the maximum possible density, this isn't about getting back at Bunkers or anyone else who raises objections no matter how tiresome they are. This was supposed to have a valet drop-off cutout correct? maybe Bunkers patrons could use that as well as the other restaurant. Or heck, just offer the new retail space on the ground floor to bunkers.

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Re: 729 Washington Av N

Postby 5th Ave Guy » January 7th, 2016, 1:45 pm

I live in the NL and I can guarantee you very few who do care about "protecting Bunkers (parking spaces)". Most want infill and the services that come with it.

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Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Postby twincitizen » May 6th, 2016, 7:11 am

United and Greco are going to pursue separate projects on the 729 Washington superblock parking lot, where plans for a jointly developed 10-story apartment building fell apart. United is looking at a 10-story office proposal on the eastern half and Greco would build an apartment building on the western half.

http://finance-commerce.com/2016/05/uni ... e-project/

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Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Postby mister.shoes » May 6th, 2016, 7:58 am

Awww, I didn't realize that apartment building was completely dead. That's a bummer.
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Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Postby kirby96 » May 6th, 2016, 8:14 am

This one might be a little firmer. My buddy was told awhile ago he'd lose his parking spot there, but now he's been told it's gone in June.

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Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Postby Nathan » May 6th, 2016, 8:17 am

I like this diversity of uses better, gives the street a less massive feel I hope!

I wonder if this has to do with the tunnel?

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Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Postby acs » May 6th, 2016, 9:31 am

twincitizen wrote:United and Greco are going to pursue separate projects on the 729 Washington superblock parking lot, where plans for a jointly developed 10-story apartment building fell apart. United is looking at a 10-story office proposal on the eastern half and Greco would build an apartment building on the western half.

http://finance-commerce.com/2016/05/uni ... e-project/
So what does Eastern/Western mean here since the streets run NW to SE? Are we talking about one building facing 3rd and one Washington or both facing Washington, one closer to 7th and one 8th?

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Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Postby twincitizen » May 6th, 2016, 3:32 pm

In downtown speak, Washington runs E-W, streets like Hennepin & Nicollet run N-S. Though it becomes much less intuitive in North Loop, as Washington's axis gets tilted a little closer to N-S.

Anyways, the United office development would be on the 729 Washington and 728 3rd St parcels. Greco's apartment building would be 753 Washington: https://gis.hennepin.us/property/map/de ... 2924210068

Based on the Hennepin property map, this does appear to avoid the underground pipe/tunnel issue.

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Re: North Loop Neighborhood

Postby MNdible » May 6th, 2016, 4:18 pm

Anybody notice the little 515 sf parcel in the middle of all this that's apparently still owned by BNSF?

Also, any use trying to extend an alley into that block?

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Re: 729 Washington Av N

Postby grant1simons2 » September 15th, 2016, 3:31 pm

REVISED PLANS: http://minneapolismn.gov/www/groups/pub ... 186562.pdf

Well this could be pretty nice

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Re: 729 Washington Av N

Postby lordmoke » September 15th, 2016, 3:39 pm

...

That's a damn fine building.

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Re: 729 Washington Av N

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