talindsay wrote:Not to get all mattaudio here

Coming soon to a bus near you: Transit Police to make people put away their phones and lead passengers in games of Charades, Pictionary, and the Adventures of Baron Munchausen to make sure they're sufficiantly social.xandrex wrote:I mean, that's just silly. But carry on.talindsay wrote:Yes.xandrex wrote:Are we really calling the average commuter in the Twin Cities anti-social?
I got plenty of socializing on the bus today...if you define socializing as standing in the aisle of a full bus, pressed between several sweaty bodies and getting shoved around as people tried to exit. It really made my day.
What's not going to happen?moda253 wrote:I'm sorry but that's just not going to happen. The future being car sharing/transit thing. It is a neat thing for *some* people. And it IS a necessity for others. But it is always going to be The Future, and will never be The Present here unless there is a major economic breakdown where people ultimately cannot afford to buy vehicles. And even then there is a terribly high markup on the price of vehicles that automakers can reduce the price a LONG way and still make a metric shit ton of money. So basically when that time comes we have significantly large problems.
I keep hearing about the mindset that millennials don't want to buy "things"..... yeah because they don't have money. Sorry but that's the truth. Every generation in their earlier years claim something only to be at least lessen their stances on those issues or become completely hypocritical. I didn't want a house at one point in my life too. All I needed was a nice apartment! Married, kids...Next thing I know I have a house and a garage full of stuff. And no not all people live that way but the majority do. But where you have two working adults with kids and activities it's pie in the sky thinking to think this is going to change any time soon. The overwhelming majority of people are never going to work 8 hours a day taking transit both ways and then rely on ride share/transit programs or catching transit to meet their obligations. The sum of money being 10k-50k cited above works out to what using rideshare/transit for a family of 4 for all their trips? So then you start getting into things like reorganizing the way people live. "Do your children REALLY need to be involved in X,Y,and Z?"... "Do you really need to make a couple stops between work and home?"...... it just isn't going to happen.
The overwhelming majority of families are going to own at least one vehicle. And they are going to use them frequently. That is why in addition to good transit systems, which IS absolutely critical to our transportation needs, we need to revisit how the personal vehicle operates on the road.
We're actually in exactly the situation you describe: a falling-apart one-and-a-half car garage with two cars we already have. We've been saving up for a new garage and will probably build one in a few years.amiller92 wrote:Not that I'm one to talk, as we built a two car garage to store a second car that only gets used maybe every two weeks, and then often just because I try to use it every once in awhile. But at least in my defense, the existing single car garage was falling down and needed to be replaced and we already owned the two cars.
If you're referring to my comment, then I guess you don't understand the difference between strawmans and snark.David Greene wrote:That's just a ridiculous strawman. Intellectually lazy.
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I was replying to the notion that "social" means interacting with people all the time. When people say transit is social, they mean it's a social environment. People other than yourself. That presence actually is very important.Mdcastle wrote:If you're referring to my comment, then I guess you don't understand the difference between strawmans and snark.David Greene wrote:That's just a ridiculous strawman. Intellectually lazy.
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Sacrelicio wrote: What's not going to happen?
Notice I didn't say SOVs were going away, just the idea that every "normal" adult has to own one will likely change. Families owning "at least one vehicle" is not inconsistent with my argument.
Sorry it was when you said that you thought that the future would be more ride sharing and other modes rather than having every single person purchase, maintain,.......I think that's the future, sharing cars and using other modes, rather than having every single adult purchase, insure, maintain, and store their own individual $10,000-$50,000 machine that seats up to five people just for commuting and errands.
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