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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby seanrichardryan » July 20th, 2016, 10:52 am

I saw this on FB and thought it was super interesting. The continued work on Randolph Avenue in Saint Paul revealed the old street underneath the overlayments in its entirety, which is really unusual. They just lifted the later pavements off. (images of the innocent reacted)

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby mulad » July 22nd, 2016, 11:01 am

Nice shot of the old streetcar right-of-way more or less intact. I've been unable to get a photo of the street in this state, before they come through and dig that all up too, which I presume will happen here shortly.

I've been a bit conflicted seeing the Randolph reconstruction results -- I think the new roadway is narrower, with more grassy boulevard space added between the street surface and the sidewalk. It makes it nicer to walk along/across the street, but it means a more complex build if anyone ever tried rail transit again.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby MNdible » July 22nd, 2016, 11:45 am

I'm conflicted about the presence of dark specters haunting our infrastructure projects.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby talindsay » July 22nd, 2016, 2:41 pm

I for one welcome our new dark specter overlords.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby mattaudio » August 4th, 2016, 3:19 pm

Since we're talking about how Scott County has gotten away with all their new interchanges rather than be a part of CTIB, here's another gem from the past few days:

- A new freeway interchange will be built at US 169 and MN 41 between Shakopee and Chaska.
- This will be funded with a $17.7M TIGER grant from USDOT.
- TIGER categorizes this as a "rural project."
- The name of the project is "US 169 Freight Mobility Project."

I can't even.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby Anondson » August 4th, 2016, 3:21 pm

Shenanigans.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby grant1simons2 » August 4th, 2016, 11:40 pm

Woah. Fremont Ave bridge over Greenway closes today to vehicles.

http://www.startribune.com/fremont-aven ... 389245281/

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby EOst » August 5th, 2016, 12:50 pm

There's a serious reckoning coming for all the historic Milwaukee Road bridges. This is the worst, but they're all going to start approaching their end of life in the next decade or two without serious maintenance.

The article notes that the most "fiscally responsible" thing to do is replace the bridge(s) entirely. I don't have a problem with that, as long as (a) some of the original bridges remain (esp. a contiguous stretch of several, e.g. between Lyndale -> Nicollet) and (b) the replacement bridges maintain some of the features of the original bridges, NOT like the newer bridge at Park, which narrows the cut and has only a single span.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby fehler » August 5th, 2016, 12:56 pm

They're changing the signs and stripes on 394's MNPass lanes. Are they also changing the rules? Can I still reverse commute for free in those lanes?

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby MNdible » August 7th, 2016, 7:21 pm

mattaudio wrote:Since we're talking about how Scott County has gotten away with all their new interchanges rather than be a part of CTIB, here's another gem from the past few days:

- A new freeway interchange will be built at US 169 and MN 41 between Shakopee and Chaska.
- This will be funded with a $17.7M TIGER grant from USDOT.
- TIGER categorizes this as a "rural project."
- The name of the project is "US 169 Freight Mobility Project."

I can't even.
Funding sources aside, this is probably the only stoplight on 169 between Anoka and St. Peter, right? So all in all, a pretty easily justified project.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby Mcgizz » August 7th, 2016, 8:09 pm

Jordan, MN has one still (I think).

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby intercomnut » August 7th, 2016, 8:15 pm

Mcgizz wrote:Jordan, MN has one still (I think).
Drove through it about a month ago. Can confirm.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby MNdible » August 7th, 2016, 8:19 pm

Yeah, I think that you're right. But the point still stands.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby mattaudio » August 9th, 2016, 3:12 pm

Just to balance things out, since I was complaining about the 169/41 interchange (though it was really about how it was funded and sold to the public, rather than the interchange itself)...

I present to you, a map I made 5 to 10 years ago for a freeway connector between 94 and 10 on the south side of St. Cloud.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mi ... sp=sharing

This would:
- Take the place of the (planned but not programmed) 94-10 Clearwater freeway connection.
- Provide a bypass routing for MN-23, which is a regional expressway on both sides of St. Cloud but painfully slow through the stroady core.
- Provide connectivity for a (planned but not programmed) midfield terminal at STC airport, should it ever become a more significant reliever airport.
- Make use of the existing Travel Information Center just east of St. Cloud on Hwy 10.

And yes, I know it cuts through an industrial park near the CR 75 exit in St. Cloud. That didn't exist when I first made this long ago.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby Mdcastle » August 12th, 2016, 7:50 pm

Sounds like a good interchange project to me. Have you ever seen how immobile the trucks are once they get stopped at the horrific congestion at that signal? The signal at Jordan will be taken care of with CTIB opt-out funds.

For those that don't know, St. Cloud has long wanted a new bridge in the area and were really pushing for that as an option for the new freeway connector, except it would have been a bit farther north. Mn/DOT said no because it was the least effective at their goal at moving traffic between I-94 and US 10 so St. Cloud has been half-halfheartedly pursuing building a surface street connection rather than a freeway themselves.
http://www.stcloudapo.org/uploads/1/2/8 ... coping.pdf

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby twincitizen » September 12th, 2016, 2:30 pm

Boo to concrete streets for residential blocks. *ga-gunk ga-gunk ga-gunk* is what I hear all day long at my house. It's more of a nuisance than noise generated by nearby Hiawatha Av and LRT combined (which aren't really a nuisance). If and when my street is ever reconstructed (probably never), I really hope they do not stick with concrete.

Also, 2,500 AADT is fairly annoying in and of itself. Even though I did check the numbers online, for some reason that didn't jump out at me as being "too high" to stop me from buying a home. It's far from being unlivable, as traffic is light when it truly matters (at night), but man I didn't realize that nearby "normal" residential streets in low-density areas carry only ~200-500 AADT. So I guess shame on me for that.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby sdho » September 14th, 2016, 8:12 am

Aesthetically, though, I think concrete is a much more attractive finish for any street -- not least of which residential. (Edina residents put up a fight a couple years ago when the city wanted to reconstruct their concrete to asphalt.) Added cost probably doesn't justify itself for a low-volume street, but I think it's an option that should be available to assessed homeowners, as long as the city has the capacity to maintain both (which Mpls does).

Is yours in really bad shape, or is this just relatively new concrete, twincitizen?

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby talindsay » September 14th, 2016, 9:12 am

Aesthetics really shouldn't be a primary motivator for a street surface though, right? Driveways and parking areas should be concrete, because things can sink into asphalt on hot days and it's not pleasant to lie on asphalt if you need to get under your car for something. But for road surfaces, asphalt is often a better choice - while asphalt is more likely to pit and crumble, it's cheaper and easier to fix when that happens, and chip resurfacing is extremely efficient. Concrete is up to ten times harder than asphalt, which again is a benefit for driveways and parking areas but relatively unimportant for roads.

Finally, and a bit off topic, asphalt is a much better surface for pedestrians, especially runners - the additional give makes it easier on the joints and feet, which is the primary reason that you'll see runners running on the bike trails when there's a concrete pedestrian sidewalk right next to it. I don't know why the MPRB hasn't figured this out yet, but they go to the trouble of putting down concrete sidewalks right next to asphalt bike paths, when the heaviest-volume potential users of the pedestrian paths would universally prefer asphalt.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby Silophant » September 14th, 2016, 9:47 am

Yeah, if MPRB is going to continue doing one concrete path and one asphalt path, it would be nice if the asphalt was for peds and the concrete was for bikes.

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Re: Street, Road and Highway Projects

Postby amiller92 » September 14th, 2016, 10:12 am

As a pedestrian, I've never noticed a meaningful difference between walking on concrete and walking on asphalt. For running, yeah (although I almost never run).

I wonder if runners are a large part of footpath than walkers. On a nice weekend day, it doesn't seem like it. But runner go out and run every day, so maybe.

Of course, asphalt is better for bikes too, and since it's cheaper, just do both asphalt.


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