D Line - Chicago-Fremont/Emerson Rapid Bus

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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby Qhaberl » October 5th, 2017, 12:26 pm

Persons with disabilities would have to walk all the way down to Lake Street in order to crash Chicago. I am not sure of the level of parallel traffic at the recommended stop. Terrible traffic is essential for crossing a busy street like Chicago. Parral traffic allows a blind person to be certain that they are lining up correctly to cross the street.


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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby grant1simons2 » October 5th, 2017, 12:37 pm

Okay, so am I the only one reading this map and getting excited that they even included Midtown rail?

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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby David Greene » October 5th, 2017, 2:01 pm

The purple line!

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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby Bakken2016 » October 5th, 2017, 2:45 pm

David Greene wrote:
October 5th, 2017, 2:01 pm
The purple line!

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I believe that the Rush Line corridor is going to be called the Purple Line. They requested it in their documentation.

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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby HiawathaGuy » October 5th, 2017, 3:20 pm

Qhaberl wrote:
October 5th, 2017, 12:26 pm
Persons with disabilities would have to walk all the way down to Lake Street in order to crash Chicago. I am not sure of the level of parallel traffic at the recommended stop. Terrible traffic is essential for crossing a busy street like Chicago. Parral traffic allows a blind person to be certain that they are lining up correctly to cross the street.
Visual image for reference to the crosswalk at the existing transit station stoplight.
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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby intercomnut » October 19th, 2017, 11:46 am

Metro Transit is hosting a workshop at Pearl Recreation Center tonight from 5-7 to get input on where stations should be located between 46th and 56th St.

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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby Qhaberl » October 19th, 2017, 5:24 pm

Thanks for the info about the crosswalks. I really hope the city of Minneapolis thinks about putting in an audible pedestrian signal there. Being that there is no parallel traffic, it would be a good place for one.


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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby alexschief » October 20th, 2017, 8:16 am

In the recent Strib article about the D-Line. It was mentioned that the current #5 bus gets roughly 19,000 weekday riders. I knew it was in that range, but now with a number behind it, we can do some fun math.

The #5 bus travels (by my estimate) about 19.5 route miles, carrying 19,000 weekday riders, or about 975 riders per route mile. This is more than the light rail systems of Sacramento, Pittsburgh, San Jose, and Baltimore. The #5 bus' total ridership is greater than the light rail systems of Buffalo and Charlotte.

This aBRt upgrade cannot come soon enough. With just a small increase in ridership from the conversion, this single aBRT route could perhaps pass St. Louis and Dallas' LRT systems in riders per route mile, and Newark, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore in total riders carried.

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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby schmitzm03 » October 20th, 2017, 12:01 pm

I've been wondering how this line is going to stay on schedule as it goes southbound from HCMC to Lake Street. For the past two weeks I've taken the 94 from St. Paul leaving at 3:30, gotten off at HCMC, and tried to either walk or take the 5 all the way to S 35th St. Because cars have been backed up all the way to 14th St in Elliot Park, I've usually just walked (in some cases boarding and then getting off the 5 after a few blocks and in others simply walking from the start) and I've beaten the 5 to Lake St every day.

This does not seem to have anything to do with the bike lanes on 26th and 28th (I can tell as I walk past each day). It does seem to have a lot to do with the signal timing at Franklin Ave (cycling too quickly going north/south and too slowly east/west) and with the intense traffic at Lake and Chicago. I find it hard to believe that some signal priority (not sure if that is really the right term here) and limited stops will make up for the parking lot-like traffic from 14th to Franklin and 26th to Lake St.

Does anyone know if this is more of a temporary condition caused by construction? If not, is there something else that needs to be done to ensure buses on this line actually move as quickly as planned (and likely advertised)? Would removing parking from 26th to Lake St. make a difference? Traffic is a beast on Lake at this same time of day (I previously rode the 53 but it kept being delayed so long that it is actually faster to take the 94 to downtown MPLS and walk all the way to Lake St!). As such, I can't imagine changing signal timing would make a difference. I question whether re-orienting the Lake St/Chicago transit station would impact it all that much, either, as buses actually seem to move through fairly well. Thoughts?

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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby the other scott » October 20th, 2017, 1:19 pm

Currently, I think the slowdown is because of the closure of Portland at the Greenway, and also at 94. Portland traffic is detoured over to Chicago on 28th St and that has had an impact on the Chicago/Lake intersection and the Chicago/Transit Center intersection. That being said, Chicago is generally pretty backed up around Lake at rush hour. More than anything, limiting the number of stops is going to help the D Line run faster than the 5. At rush hour you can almost guarantee a stop at every single block until Lake, and a long stop at Franklin because of transfers.

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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby DanB » December 13th, 2017, 10:59 am

It seems that the Metropolitan Council is considering removing the D line from the current revenue scenario of the Transport Policy Plan and placing it instead in the increased revenue scenario.
https://lims.minneapolismn.gov/RCA/1727
https://metrocouncil.org/Council-Meetin ... -2017.aspx (Page 45)

I am not knowledgeable enough about the TPP process to know if this is just a reflection that the D line does not have all the funding lined up or if it means the Metro Council does not view this as a top priority. Either way it is disheartening the difficulty these abrt lines seem to have getting funding especially considering how much less they cost per rider compared to most of the other transit projects planned in the metro.

Does anybody have a better idea as to why this is happening?

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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby alexschief » December 13th, 2017, 11:08 am

What a mistake that would be. The D-Line is the best transit project currently underway in the Twin Cities. It will improve travel for an enormous number of people, many of whom do not own cars, and for a fraction of the cost of either LRT route.

If the DFL is able to take back the statehouse, securing more funding for transit expansion has to be a top priority. The region's transit vision should be getting more ambitious, not less. The idea that the region wouldn't be able to implement the D-Line by 2040 is laughably sad.

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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby Bakken2016 » December 13th, 2017, 11:37 am

The D Line needs to happen. Personally riding the 5 everyday through downtown, the buses are crowded, and it has so many transit dependent riders.

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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby mattaudio » December 13th, 2017, 12:21 pm

Can't Hennepin fund it with our new post-CTIB tax receipts?

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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby DanPatchToget » December 13th, 2017, 12:42 pm

Jesus Christ I thought people were complaining about the Met Council being too progressive. This right here proves they're not progressive enough. I know they have to work with budgets, but come on, it doesn't cost anything to be very progressive with your plans. These ABRT routes were supposed to be rolled out with one opening each year, but now the busiest bus line in the metro may not get it for a decade?! Pathetic.

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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby Bakken2016 » December 25th, 2017, 5:27 pm

http://m.startribune.com/the-drive-mpls ... 466327193/

An update on the D Line, people are advocating for it to stay on the list for Current Revenue Scenario. In my honest opinion any where else in the world this line would be a subway or LRT....


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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby Qhaberl » December 28th, 2017, 12:04 pm

I have taken the five through downtown and at least a few occasions. There seems to be times when it gets really backed up and 7th/8th Street. How will the bus rapid transit system help with that? I realize that people will be able to pay their fair prior to getting on the bus, but I'm not sure if that's going to really help the slow moving crawl through downtown.

Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of arterial bus rapid transit. I want to see more of these built and faster.



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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby tmart » December 28th, 2017, 1:42 pm

Qhaberl wrote:
December 28th, 2017, 12:04 pm
I have taken the five through downtown and at least a few occasions. There seems to be times when it gets really backed up and 7th/8th Street. How will the bus rapid transit system help with that? I realize that people will be able to pay their fair prior to getting on the bus, but I'm not sure if that's going to really help the slow moving crawl through downtown.

Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of arterial bus rapid transit. I want to see more of these built and faster.
My regular bus line (not in MN) recently added the option for monthly pass holders to board using proof-of-payment (i.e., just get on the bus without tapping). It's made boarding way faster. Not only does it remove the bottleneck of everyone trying to use one farebox, but it also means they can board from all three doors instead of just the front. At a busy stop this can cut minutes off of boarding time.

It's true that it doesn't do much for traffic--that's another problem that's also worth addressing--but these aggregate savings can still add up to a huge time improvement and reliability boost.

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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby SamtheBusNerd » January 2nd, 2018, 5:40 pm

DanB wrote:
December 13th, 2017, 10:59 am
It seems that the Metropolitan Council is considering removing the D line from the current revenue scenario of the Transport Policy Plan and placing it instead in the increased revenue scenario.
https://lims.minneapolismn.gov/RCA/1727
https://metrocouncil.org/Council-Meetin ... -2017.aspx (Page 45)
You couldn't ask for a better example of how messed up this region's transit priorities are. ABRT routes like the D-Line, Midtown, Nicollet, Hennepin, etc should be funded before lower ridership corridors that primarily serve the suburbs or new park and rides.

Also, the slideshow shows bus ridership declining quite a bit since 2013 and still being below 2005 levels. Is that just due to the Green Line opening?

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Re: D Line - Fremont/Emerson/Chicago Rapid Bus

Postby HiawathaGuy » January 3rd, 2018, 11:26 am

Qhaberl wrote:
December 28th, 2017, 12:04 pm
I have taken the five through downtown and at least a few occasions. There seems to be times when it gets really backed up and 7th/8th Street. How will the bus rapid transit system help with that? I realize that people will be able to pay their fair prior to getting on the bus, but I'm not sure if that's going to really help the slow moving crawl through downtown.
I'm guessing the BRTs will have signal priority, which should help improve flow to some degree downtown.


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