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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby Multimodal » April 16th, 2018, 7:59 pm

Nice analysis.

Yes, if you run a business with owned tools/product, then you will likely own a (business) vehicle.

I wonder about kids, though. If we moved to a model where sports equipment was rented (like transportation), it wouldn’t have to be lugged around. In terms of car seats, they’re about safety and mostly at higher rates of speed. If AVs are going slowly in urban areas (25 mph and less, which may be what cities will push for), and AVs are super safe, why have car seats—especially if AVs have seats facing the center, with room for a stroller in the center.

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby DanPatchToget » April 16th, 2018, 9:06 pm

Will kids and pretty much anyone who currently isn't allowed to operate a vehicle be able to use an AV on their own? This assumes the vehicle is fully autonomous and the rider doesn't need to take control at all.

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby karen nelson » April 17th, 2018, 12:25 pm

DanPatchToget wrote:
April 16th, 2018, 9:06 pm
Will kids and pretty much anyone who currently isn't allowed to operate a vehicle be able to use an AV on their own? This assumes the vehicle is fully autonomous and the rider doesn't need to take control at all.
sure - parents use Uber to ferry their older kids a lot already - I'm sure kids of a certain age will be allowed to use them - may have to be city or state laws to protect AV providers - or they would just likely ban kids of any age to cover their butts. I'm sure they will have cameras on the interior of all these cars for safety reasons, to deal with people who damage them, puke in them, litter etc. - so I'm sure parents will have ability to monitor their kids in these pods.

I still hope medium dense cities will have their act together enough to incentivize small shuttles as tweener option between traditional transit like heavily-used high volume bus routes, BRT and LRT - and single-occupant vehicles. If door-to-door ride share, single occupant cars/pods are as cheap some folks think they will be, in say 10-15 years, then congestion is huge issue. If there are small AV shuttles that say can avoid a congestion tax, or get priority on the road, that can carry 8-12 people, then they could even consider have special shuttles dedicated to just kids at say, school times/routes. Kids may still need adults in their multi-occupant shuttles, buses but at least adult doesn't have to worry about driving and will have less worries about kids getting run over by when they get out, so they can concentrate on supervising the kids.

Once again, all this intergrated tech is going to bring huge privacy and data protection issues as these private companies will have your every movement recorded.

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby Multimodal » April 17th, 2018, 2:19 pm

karen nelson wrote:Once again, all this intergrated tech is going to bring huge privacy and data protection issues as these private companies will have your every movement recorded.
It would not surprise me one bit if some of these vehicles dispense with windows, ostensibly in the name of safety or cost or whatever, and replace them initially with a camera-based view of the outside… that, over time, would helpfully display the most relevant ads to you on your journey.

Or, in their ride hailing app: “Watch this 2-minute video [ad] and get a free ride!”

Or what about a virtual/holographic/AR “conductor” who tells jokes, shares memes, or gives information (tourism), and whom you can tip for good service.

So many ways to monetize.

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby mplsjaromir » July 23rd, 2018, 5:32 am

Asking your suppliers to pay you back profits they've already booked because you're running out of cash: a normal thing that non-distressed companies do all the time.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-asks ... 1532301091

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby Bob Stinson's Ghost » July 23rd, 2018, 7:03 am

mplsjaromir wrote:
July 23rd, 2018, 5:32 am
Asking your suppliers to pay you back profits they've already booked because you're running out of cash: a normal thing that non-distressed companies do all the time.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-asks ... 1532301091
You seem to have an axe to grind regarding Tesla. I'm wondering what part of it you object to.

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby Silophant » July 23rd, 2018, 7:28 am

I bet it's the union-busting.

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby mplsjaromir » July 23rd, 2018, 9:15 am

Bob Stinson's Ghost wrote:
July 23rd, 2018, 7:03 am
mplsjaromir wrote:
July 23rd, 2018, 5:32 am
Asking your suppliers to pay you back profits they've already booked because you're running out of cash: a normal thing that non-distressed companies do all the time.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-asks ... 1532301091

You seem to have an axe to grind regarding Tesla. I'm wondering what part of it you object to.

I abhor charlatans. You were not around, but the “Retiredbanker” Era of Urbanmsp.com was very illustrative.

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby Bob Stinson's Ghost » July 23rd, 2018, 9:46 am

Elon Musk has racked up enough bona fide provable successes to disqualify him from being a charlatan. Jia Yueting *is* a charlatan. Faraday Future is 100% pure vapor and has delivered nothing. They aren't even doing Formula E anymore.

Elon Musk is a tragic visionary who chronically overpromises and under delivers. Tesla is probably doomed, but I admire anyone gutsy enough to even try what he's attempting to do.

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby mplsjaromir » July 23rd, 2018, 9:49 am

He called a guy who saved a bunch of kids a pedo because he made fun of his dumb rocket booster submarine/coffin.

The Tesla Model S is a pretty neat $80K car, but most $80K cars are pretty neat. Somehow they are building 5000 model 3s a week but no where near that many are being registered.

He is a charlatan, pure and simple.

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby mamundsen » July 23rd, 2018, 10:07 am

If a major automaker bought Tesla, would it be profitable within a year? I think it would be awesome to see a Jeep/Dodge buyout of Tesla. Imagine an electric wrangler. 💰

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby Tiller » July 23rd, 2018, 10:14 am

mamundsen wrote:
July 23rd, 2018, 10:07 am
If a major automaker bought Tesla, would it be profitable within a year? I think it would be awesome to see a Jeep/Dodge buyout of Tesla. Imagine an electric wrangler. 💰
Plug-in hybrid wranglers are coming soon, 2020 I think.

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby Bob Stinson's Ghost » July 23rd, 2018, 10:20 am

mplsjaromir wrote:
July 23rd, 2018, 9:49 am
He called a guy who saved a bunch of kids a pedo because he made fun of his dumb rocket booster submarine/coffin.

The Tesla Model S is a pretty neat $80K car, but most $80K cars are pretty neat. Somehow they are building 5000 model 3s a week but no where near that many are being registered.

He is a charlatan, pure and simple.
I can tell you're quite committed to your position. Any commentary on SpaceX sticking the landing with those rockets?

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby mplsjaromir » July 23rd, 2018, 10:34 am

Who cares? It makes his company slightly more profitable. No other benefit.

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby Multimodal » July 23rd, 2018, 10:53 am

mplsjaromir wrote:The Tesla Model S is a pretty neat $80K car, but most $80K cars are pretty neat. Somehow they are building 5000 model 3s a week but no where near that many are being registered.

He is a charlatan, pure and simple.
But no other $80k car is electric. They’re selling every one they build; sales are not declining. People consistently want these cars.

And they *just* started building 5k cars/week. What about processing, delivery, etc.? Jeez. Give ‘em a few weeks.

I have major problems with some things Elon has done. But he consistently delivers (late) results. ;)

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby tmart » July 25th, 2018, 8:18 am

I don't have a problem with Elon when he stays in his lane. Even if Tesla goes underwater in two years, they've still accelerated the broader transition away from fossil fuels, and that's an unqualified good thing. But building a car, or a car company, doesn't make you qualified to talk about infrastructure or interurban transit or urban planning or vacuum tube trains, and he has a tendency to have very strong, very wrong, opinions on those subjects. Elon Twitter is the GM Futurama expo of our generation.

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby Multimodal » July 25th, 2018, 10:36 pm

Well said

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby bubzki2 » July 26th, 2018, 9:32 am

Tesla makes technologically advanced and cutting-edge BEVs. It's the almost universally sanctimonious owners who turn me off from buying one.

The company is built on fairly sound market speculation, but its survival will be a close call. Jaguar's I-Pace is up to Tesla's standards on range for less money. More will follow.

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby Anondson » July 30th, 2018, 5:16 pm

Uber will cease developing self driving freight trucks.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-uber ... SKBN1KK2GD

Huh. I guess I expected self driving trucks before passenger cars.

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Re: Future cars / Driverless cars

Postby Silophant » July 30th, 2018, 5:19 pm

I still do. I don't expect Uber to be first to market with either of them, though.


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