RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 519'

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Re: RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 503'

Postby Silophant » September 8th, 2019, 11:18 am

One of two cranes, it looks like, since it's way over on the 3rd St edge of the block.

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Re: RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 503'

Postby Cat349F » September 8th, 2019, 7:39 pm

The tower crane will be 650’ tall. I am unsure if they plan on going with a shorter height this year or not, then adding on as necessary.

Structural foundation work will speed up with the addition of the second drill rig. The biggest issue is keeping everything working, with limited space.

Second elevator pit (center of building) to be excavated and poured this week.

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Re: RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 503'

Postby SurlyLHT » September 9th, 2019, 11:13 am

The tower they have up seems to barely clear the library. You can't see it from Nicollet over the library.

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Re: RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 503'

Postby Cat349F » September 10th, 2019, 6:08 pm

The second tower crane will be installed on the Washington side, center of building, about 30’ in from the sidewalk.

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Re: RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 503'

Postby Silophant » September 26th, 2019, 2:20 pm

The second crane went up a couple days ago. Excited to see this get above ground! (I know it'll be a little bit still.)

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Re: RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 503'

Postby Anondson » September 26th, 2019, 2:46 pm

From above, looks like where the elevators will go are being prepared.

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Re: RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 503'

Postby twinkess » September 26th, 2019, 5:35 pm

I keep forgetting to grab a picture. I'll try to remember tomorrow.

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Re: RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 503'

Postby Silophant » October 2nd, 2019, 5:55 am

This is coming back to the CPC next week for revisions: packet.

Changes: further engineering to the beam depth and elevator overruns led to the total height increasing from 503' to 519', which I think is what required another CPC process instead of administrative approval.

Two floors of hotel rooms are turning into condos, resulting in a loss of 58 hotel rooms and the addition of 14 condos. Ten parking spaces will also be going away.

A bus shelter for the 3rd St at Hennepin bus stop will now be integrated into the building rather than being a separate shelter. It will include a NexTrip display.

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Re: RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 519'

Postby alexschief » October 2nd, 2019, 7:33 am

I want to publicly congratulate the good people at Skyscraper City, especially Tall Bob, for this extraordinary accomplishment.

CPC should ask that the blank wall facing third street be painted for a mural.

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Re: RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 519'

Postby mattaudio » October 2nd, 2019, 8:03 am

*far*side*bus*stops*are*better*than*near*side*

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Re: RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 519'

Postby mattaudio » October 2nd, 2019, 12:36 pm

Wasn't the special valet ramp from the porte cochere to the underground parking originally denied by the Planning Commission? It looks like they're back to ask for that? Or was it appealed before?

Anyways, really a shame there's not more retail on the Henn/Wash corner - or anywhere else for that matter. Adding another couple thousand square feet of street-facing retail would be such a huge win.

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Re: RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 519'

Postby SurlyLHT » October 2nd, 2019, 1:17 pm

Seems like the loss of the hotel rooms would effect the economics for Four Seasons? I'm curious if they thought they couldn't support more.

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Re: RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 519'

Postby bubzki2 » October 2nd, 2019, 2:16 pm

I'm not surprised they found a way to add condos with Alia dying, but I'm a little surprised it came at the expense of hotel rooms.

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Re: RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 519'

Postby dajazz » October 3rd, 2019, 8:06 am

SurlyLHT wrote:
October 2nd, 2019, 1:17 pm
Seems like the loss of the hotel rooms would effect the economics for Four Seasons? I'm curious if they thought they couldn't support more.
The reduction from 280 hotel rooms to 222 is nothing new, they included the lower number in their press release in late spring. Also, the lower number is a non-issue for a place like the Four Seasons.

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Re: RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 519'

Postby twinkess » October 3rd, 2019, 10:13 am

Also its not like it is a boutique hotel all of the sudden.

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Re: RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 519'

Postby SurlyLHT » October 3rd, 2019, 2:54 pm

It amounts to about a 20% decrease. When businesses operate on the margins 20% is significant.

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Re: RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 519'

Postby dajazz » October 3rd, 2019, 3:23 pm

SurlyLHT wrote:
October 3rd, 2019, 2:54 pm
It amounts to about a 20% decrease. When businesses operate on the margins 20% is significant.
I'm quite certain that the Four Seasons will be just fine. This change was factored in a long time ago, and it's not like they're paying money for space they won't be able to use.

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RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 519'

Postby Anondson » October 3rd, 2019, 4:22 pm

When I attend the many public meetings over the Via Sol/Via Luna P.L.A.C.E. proposals, they mentioned repeatedly that there are apparently well understood formulas for hotel chain for how many rooms require how much staff. They had to go into this because often some new resident would show up asking for the hotel to be shrunk, and the developer needed to explain there needs to be a certain number of rooms or no hotel chain will bother because there needs to a minimum number of room for the minimal amount of staff that would run a hotel.

I’d expect that cutting the rooms a certain amount means operating costs due to fewer staff scales such that it isn’t a big deal.

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Re: RBC Gateway (Four Seasons) - 37 stories - 519'

Postby mister.shoes » October 3rd, 2019, 9:06 pm

Don't all the condo owners have full access to the Four Seasons amenities? So while it's a 20% decrease in hotel rooms, the increase in condos is from 22 to 36 is quite significant. Those residents will theoretically need the hotel staff year-round instead of at whatever occupancy rate a place like that expects. I suspect this doesn't affect the financials of running such a hotel much at all.
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