Hiawatha-Minnehaha Development & RR Corridor/MinHi Line

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Re: Hiawatha-Minnehaha Development & RR Corridor/MinHi Line

Postby VacantLuxuries » October 22nd, 2019, 5:11 pm

According to the planning commission actions, the Starbucks was denied

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Re: Hiawatha-Minnehaha Development & RR Corridor/MinHi Line

Postby Silophant » October 22nd, 2019, 8:17 pm

So ends the last drive-through in Minneapolis.

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Re: Hiawatha-Minnehaha Development & RR Corridor/MinHi Line

Postby mattaudio » October 23rd, 2019, 8:33 am

They're still in the appeal window, but I can't imagine they'd have any chance of success at that.

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Re: Hiawatha-Minnehaha Development & RR Corridor/MinHi Line

Postby twincitizen » October 23rd, 2019, 8:00 pm

I can’t imagine they won’t file an appeal, given the sunk costs for the project thus far. I also can’t see the city council approving the appeal, over the objections of Public Works.

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Re: Hiawatha-Minnehaha Development & RR Corridor/MinHi Line

Postby amiller92 » October 24th, 2019, 9:16 am

I mean, that's the opposite of how one is supposed to think about sunk costs, but yeah.

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Re: Hiawatha-Minnehaha Development & RR Corridor/MinHi Line

Postby twincitizen » October 25th, 2019, 9:01 am

amiller92 wrote:
October 24th, 2019, 9:16 am
I mean, that's the opposite of how one is supposed to think about sunk costs, but yeah.
How dare you make me look up the correct usage of “sunk costs”. I’m a planner, not an economist :lol:

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Re: Hiawatha-Minnehaha Development & RR Corridor/MinHi Line

Postby QuietBlue » October 25th, 2019, 9:18 am

twincitizen wrote:
October 25th, 2019, 9:01 am
How dare you make me look up the correct usage of “sunk costs”. I’m a planner, not an economist :lol:
I'd say you're both right -- rationally, people shouldn't consider the sunk costs, but people aren't always rational.

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Re: Hiawatha-Minnehaha Development & RR Corridor/MinHi Line

Postby talindsay » October 25th, 2019, 2:03 pm

QuietBlue wrote:
October 25th, 2019, 9:18 am
I'd say you're both right -- rationally, people shouldn't consider the sunk costs, but people aren't always rational.
I mean, it's called the sunk costs fallacy for a reason.

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Re: Hiawatha-Minnehaha Development & RR Corridor/MinHi Line

Postby minneboom » November 14th, 2019, 7:41 pm

They did appeal. Zoning and planning committee delayed their vote. I would recommend writing your council member if you want this drive thru stopped.

https://twitter.com/wedgelive/status/11 ... 04448?s=21

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Re: Hiawatha-Minnehaha Development & RR Corridor/MinHi Line

Postby twincitizen » December 9th, 2019, 12:25 pm

This was approved on Thursday, subject to the following conditions:
1. All site improvements shall be completed by September 23, 2021, unless extended by the Zoning Administrator, or the permit may be revoked for non-compliance.
2. CPED staff shall review and approve the final site, elevation, landscaping, and lighting plans before building permits may be issued.
3. All signs shall comply with Chapter 543 of the zoning code. All signage requires a separate permit from CPED.
4. Any decreases in floor area shall not be permitted.
5. The portion of the office building along Hiawatha Avenue shall be no less than 16 feet in depth as shown in the submitted floor plans.
6. No business licenses shall be issued for the proposed coffee shop until the liner building fronting Hiawatha Avenue and E 42nd Street is constructed.
7. The lighting plan shall be revised to demonstrate how all building entrances and walkways will be lit to maintain a minimum acceptable level of security while not creating glare or excessive lighting of the site to comply with sections 530.130 and 530.260 of the zoning code.
8. Three canopy trees and eight ornamental trees shall be planted on-site as shown in the submitted landscaping plan.
9. The signage, curb cut, and driveway access shall be designed to prevent left turns into and out of the site.
10. The applicant shall work with Public Works to modify the street design of E 42nd Street to prohibit left turns into the site.
11. The applicant shall obtain an approved Transportation Demand Management Plan (TDMP) prior to the issuance of any building permits or business licenses and shall maintain compliance with the TDMP for the life of the drive-through including but not limited to providing traffic enforcement as deemed necessary.

The vote was de facto unanimous for approval, but Goodman voted no because she did not support the addition of condition 11, due to fears the city would be sued over it. You'll have to watch the replay for more specifics.

Kudos to CPED staff for coming up with condition #6, which prevents the Starbucks from opening until the "liner office building" along Hiawatha is built. Without that in place, Starbucks could have opened and the liner building quietly cancelled by the developer. This site plan is still the kookiest thing I've ever seen and I don't believe it will be built, unless they somehow already have a suitor for the office space who's willing to build and occupy as planned. I'm honestly surprised that Starbucks corporate is even on board with this design.


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