Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby Minneapolisite » June 11th, 2013, 6:19 pm

In any case, just about any bar in Loring Park is anywhere from 1/4 to 1/2 gay anyway. Now Uptown? Not sure what would place it alongside Loring Park. Nowhere along Lyndale comes to mind and I doubt William's or Uptown Tavern get much of a mixed crowd, but then I stay far away from that corner of Uptown.

Oh yeah, the building;doesn't look too bad. Or all that great, really, but it is on a stretch of Lake that's kinda lackluster.

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby seanrichardryan » June 11th, 2013, 11:13 pm

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby Nathan » June 12th, 2013, 9:59 am

And you best know even when I'm a dying old gay man... "Fiber Cement Board? GUUUUUURL? Please." hahaha...

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby Nathan » August 12th, 2013, 9:30 am

Lavender has some pictures in this article.

http://www.lavendermagazine.com/our-hom ... partments/

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby John » August 13th, 2013, 10:33 am

The exterior leaves a lot to be desired, but it does provide solid housing for people on fixed incomes. My thought is this project will attract elderly members of the gay community involved with "Spirit of the Lakes" or MCC, which are in close proximity to this development. The other senior housing project which potentially could have a large gay demographic would be The Mill City Quarter given its location downtown. We're going to see a rapid growth in the gay senior population over the next couple decades coinciding with the baby boom generation entering old age.

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby min-chi-cbus » August 13th, 2013, 3:28 pm

Here comes yet another popular post, I'm sure.....

Why does the GLBT senior community need its own kind of senior housing? Are there special services needed for GLBT seniors that regular seniors and their facilities don't have? I'm asking this sincerely, and also because I'm not a fan of segregation/separatism and don't even like the concept of senior-only living communities, let alone even more specialized subsets of such communities.

I sure hope they have surly, disgruntled, cynical, urban, WASP senior communities when I get older!

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby Nick » August 13th, 2013, 3:39 pm

min-chi-cbus wrote:Are there special services needed for GLBT seniors that regular seniors and their facilities don't have?
I can think of one.

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby David Greene » August 13th, 2013, 4:10 pm

Nick wrote:
min-chi-cbus wrote:Are there special services needed for GLBT seniors that regular seniors and their facilities don't have?
I can think of one.
Wow.

Just wow.

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby Nick » August 13th, 2013, 4:16 pm

?

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby David Greene » August 13th, 2013, 4:20 pm

Nick wrote:?
That's a stereotype back from the '80's. It conjures up some *really* ugly stuff. I thought we were beyond that myth by this point.

I don't think you meant to tap into that ugly sentiment but it was my first reaction upon seeing your post.

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby Nick » August 13th, 2013, 4:27 pm

I think we've kind of moved beyond the "all gay men have AIDS" business. But I'll make an educated guess that more gay people over sixty than straight people over sixty have HIV, and that would be a reason to have more focused housing. Anywho...

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby Nathan » August 13th, 2013, 4:38 pm

As bad as stereo types are, they are sometimes important to acknowledge. As a population that has more cases of HIV/AIDS ages they are going to need specialists, it's just a matter of fact. Hopefully we're close to a cure anyways right!? It's an unfortunate reality that everyone has to look out for, but is especially poignant for older gay men.

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby David Greene » August 13th, 2013, 8:22 pm

You guys are kind of missing the point.

This is the last I'll say because I don't think Nick meant harm, but it was an insensitive comment

It was insensitive because it (unintentionally) taps into a *lot* of hurt feelings within the gay community. I can think of any number of reasons gay seniors might like to live in a community. There's a whole culture they're part of that isn't really even acknowledged by the mainstream, let along celebrated. But the first thing brought up is AIDS/HIV.

It's kind of like saying black seniors want their own living space because of <insert stereotype here>. It doesn't matter that the stereotype might be loosely based on fact. That fact that it's been used to hurt people in the past makes it off-limits.

I grew up during the '80's and remember all kinds of horrible things said on TV, in the newpapers, etc. about gay people. So I get a bit upset when brought back to that place.

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby min-chi-cbus » August 13th, 2013, 8:45 pm

I'd understand it more if it were soley for AIDS victims/survivors, actually, but not exclusive to GLBT patients only.

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby John » August 14th, 2013, 12:40 am

This project is not a nursing home, but independent housing for active seniors.

As far as AIDS goes, in this day and age, HIV is a very manageable disease (like diabetes) where you can live with it long-term and maintain a high quality and productive life. And I think there is a misconception that most older gay men have HIV. This is simply not true. Most older gay men in the Twin Cities actually do not have HIV. In fact, it is the younger generation where there is more concern due to rising HIV infection rates caused by unprotected sex and a false sense of security they are somehow not at risk.

I doubt Spirit of the Lake will be exclusively gay and segregated, but it will no doubt be very welcoming and embracing of the GLBT community. For older people , it creates a positive sense of belonging and community. Min-chi-bus , it's somewhat different in the gay community to grow older as many people do not have children or the traditional family structure as part of their support system. This project really fills a void in an underserved population.

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby min-chi-cbus » August 14th, 2013, 8:26 am

^Thank you. Finally, a valid point!

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby Wedgeguy » August 17th, 2013, 3:39 pm

min-chi-cbus wrote:I'd understand it more if it were soley for AIDS victims/survivors, actually, but not exclusive to GLBT patients only.
There are already Housing for HIV infected people with Clare and Agape houses which help those who need help. This is apartments for Gay and LESBIANS people that would like to live in a supportive surrounding. I sense a HIV sigma on this board with some very uneducated people. Time for some of you to think deeper before you type!

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby MNdible » August 17th, 2013, 5:29 pm

Chill out.

Nick merely suggested that one reason that Spirit might make sense would be to provide services to those with HIV. A bunch of people have taken this as an opportunity to be self-righteous and climb up on their high horses. End of story. Move along.

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby min-chi-cbus » August 17th, 2013, 5:55 pm

Wedgeguy wrote:
min-chi-cbus wrote:I'd understand it more if it were soley for AIDS victims/survivors, actually, but not exclusive to GLBT patients only.
There are already Housing for HIV infected people with Clare and Agape houses which help those who need help. This is apartments for Gay and LESBIANS people that would like to live in a supportive surrounding. I sense a HIV sigma on this board with some very uneducated people. Time for some of you to think deeper before you type!
My point was that I was not a fan of exclusive housing, whether it be seniors, GLBT, or other protected classes.

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Re: Spirit on Lake - (1238 East Lake Street)

Postby John » August 18th, 2013, 12:04 am

This is really a groundbreaking project unprecedented in the Twin Cities. It's fantastic that there will soon be a great place for GLBT seniors to live out their lives and feel welcome ( HIV positive or not). IMO, It's something to be happy about and be proud that we live in an urban area that is progressive enough to have such a facility. :)


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