Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

Postby VAStationDude » October 5th, 2014, 7:33 pm

Any clues to how Metrotransit will use the second platform between 2015 & 2019?

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

Postby EOst » October 5th, 2014, 8:52 pm

VAStationDude wrote:Any clues to how Metrotransit will use the second platform between 2015 & 2019?
I'm really just hoping they let NB passengers get off onto it, so I don't have to cross the tracks when I'm going to catch the 18.

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

Postby mattaudio » October 7th, 2014, 10:51 am

seriously, I know there's paid fare zones and stuff, but is that continuous railing really necessary to separate the sidewalk from the platform?

Imagine Government Center station with fencing everywhere...

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

Postby HiawathaGuy » October 7th, 2014, 11:58 am

mattaudio wrote:seriously, I know there's paid fare zones and stuff, but is that continuous railing really necessary to separate the sidewalk from the platform?

Imagine Government Center station with fencing everywhere...
No other major city with light rail has the 'safety' precautions we have here. From having the rail run on the other side of a concrete bump, to the railings and gates and bells and horns and alarms and beeps and clangs and toots.
It's the Minnesota Way - Nanny State. Like it or not, it won't change. No matter how well other places do it more quietly, more efficiently, more streamlined.

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

Postby maxbaby » October 7th, 2014, 5:32 pm

HiawathaGuy wrote:
mattaudio wrote:seriously, I know there's paid fare zones and stuff, but is that continuous railing really necessary to separate the sidewalk from the platform?

Imagine Government Center station with fencing everywhere...
No other major city with light rail has the 'safety' precautions we have here. From having the rail run on the other side of a concrete bump, to the railings and gates and bells and horns and alarms and beeps and clangs and toots.
It's the Minnesota Way - Nanny State. Like it or not, it won't change. No matter how well other places do it more quietly, more efficiently, more streamlined.
And people still seem to drive or walk right in front of them and get smucked.

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

Postby web » October 7th, 2014, 9:29 pm

HiawathaGuy wrote:
mattaudio wrote:seriously, I know there's paid fare zones and stuff, but is that continuous railing really necessary to separate the sidewalk from the platform?

Imagine Government Center station with fencing everywhere...
No other major city with light rail has the 'safety' precautions we have here. From having the rail run on the other side of a concrete bump, to the railings and gates and bells and horns and alarms and beeps and clangs and toots.
It's the Minnesota Way - Nanny State. Like it or not, it won't change. No matter how well other places do it more quietly, more efficiently, more streamlined.
Ding ding ding ding

many cities even share tracks with a auto lane and you never here of problems.......

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

Postby grant1simons2 » October 7th, 2014, 9:36 pm

Yes you do. Stop with the closed mind.

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

Postby Minnekid » October 7th, 2014, 10:13 pm

I don't think that's the correct reasoning. If we do so much for safety we should have the almost perfect line. We have had upwards or 20 accidents and even though a lot of fault goes to people's stupidity, the safety was not as good as it should be.

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

Postby TroyGBiv » October 7th, 2014, 11:11 pm

Denver's Light Rail sounds exactly the same... tooting and clanging on every block. The accidents are all the fault of the "victim" - the woman who stepped in front of the Green line had her headphones on - very stupid... I'd say this is Darwin Level Stupid. The real truth is that woman was severely depressed and it is very likely that she stepped in front on purpose. LRT is a train, just like any other big train - except it goes through very dense urban high traffic high pedestrian zones and rules and safety cannot be taken too lightly. It might be annoying but people complain about the noise and they complain about the accidents.... let it go... move on.

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

Postby HiawathaGuy » October 8th, 2014, 8:46 am

TroyGBiv wrote:Denver's Light Rail sounds exactly the same... tooting and clanging on every block.
The comparison is NOT even close. Denver, Portland, San Deigo, DC, Seattle, San Jose, San Francisco... I've been on all of their light rail trains - in very dense or downtown areas. None of them has the warning alarms, bells, dings, clangs, toots, horns, whistles, etc. that we have here. It actually makes me laugh. I honestly don't let it concern me much anymore - it's the way Metro Transit wants to operate their trains. I live a block from a station. I can hear the trains for blocks - but like the airport, I don't mind the noise (which I also live near). In fact, when the winds are out of the south - I can hear the horns from the trains traveling along 34th Ave S., along the stretch south of Terminal 2!

Anyhow, I believe that's why this building has all the extra railings. They don't want a lawsuit from when there are hordes of people downtown and somebody doesn't look. So openness and street presence is the sacrifice.

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

Postby Wedgeguy » October 8th, 2014, 9:48 am

If you have ever heard or read at the Lake street station, the platforms are for paid people only. I think this is part of reasoning for the separation of the platform and the sidewalk. Too bad they were not able to get at least a mid block connection to the sidewalk. There might have been some ADA issues with that due to the raised platform and the limited space for steps and ramps at mid block.

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

Postby mattaudio » October 8th, 2014, 10:02 am

But the Lake Street Station is on a bridge in the air over the street. And there are plenty of steps at Government Center Station, with ADA ramps for HC and City buildings on the sides. Not sure why it would be any different here if they just had a continuous step.

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

Postby bapster2006 » October 29th, 2014, 3:45 pm

At night with the base and top lighting.

ImageNic on Fifth 10-22-14 by bapster2006, on Flickr

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

Postby Minneboy » October 29th, 2014, 4:15 pm

Sweet. The Soo Line looks nice lit up as well.

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

Postby IllogicalJake » October 29th, 2014, 6:42 pm

Minneboy wrote:Sweet. The Soo Line looks nice lit up as well.
One of those lights is right outside my window... But, hey, I don't mind because it looks so good.
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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

Postby Yourpalborno » October 30th, 2014, 7:33 am

IllogicalJake wrote:
Minneboy wrote:Sweet. The Soo Line looks nice lit up as well.
One of those lights is right outside my window... But, hey, I don't mind because it looks so good.
#HumbleBrag ;)

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

Postby Nathan » November 18th, 2014, 8:29 am

Hopefully that gives them some cash flow to do something real cool now.

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Re: Nic on Fifth - (290' - 26 Stories)

Postby grrdanko » December 21st, 2014, 3:25 pm

Does anyone know what the status is on the street level and skyway level retail?


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