What will it take to develop DTE?

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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby MillCityTimes » October 11th, 2012, 9:42 am

helsinki wrote:
but it is frustrating that (public) discussions regarding parking in the neighborhood surrounding the stadium have not been more creative
Great point. The issue will have a big impact on the future of this area.
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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby nickmgray » October 11th, 2012, 9:54 am

I don't think parking is a huge issue. The surface parking lots within walking distance only provide several thousand parking spots. Many Vikings fans park in underground lots in downtown. The perfect scenario would be new office towers closer to the dome which had adequate parking space to replace any surface parking which is eliminated. It would cost more, but I don't think anyone would not buy tickets to a game because parking would cost a few extra bucks.

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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby helsinki » October 12th, 2012, 5:21 am

nickmgray wrote:The surface parking lots within walking distance only provide several thousand parking spots.
Precisely. Nor will enough parking in the immediate vicinity ever be able to accomodate the influx of people seen on game days; arguments to the contrary (that we need parking near the stadium) are specious. This photo (discovered courtesy of PhilmerPhil's "It's not about the Bike. . . " post) illustrates the point perfectly:

http://urbanist.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834 ... 970c-popup

We have decided to have the stadium in a place where land is at a premium. Hopefully the stadium's designers understand the imperative that fans arrive at that stadium by walking, biking, or riding public transportation. Otherwise the much maligned lack of development around the Metrodome (except for Huberts! they always say) is destined to repeat itself, regardless of how many consultants they hire to study the issue.

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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby FISHMANPET » October 12th, 2012, 9:54 am

If we can sell transit as part of the "experience" of the state fair, then it shouldn't be too hard to sell a train downtown as part of the game day experience.

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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby helsinki » March 30th, 2013, 7:25 am

It looks like Minneapolis is in the running for "worst parking crater" in the United States:

http://dc.streetsblog.org/2013/03/29/pa ... -carolina/

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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby John » March 30th, 2013, 1:15 pm

helsinki wrote:It looks like Minneapolis is in the running for "worst parking crater" in the United States:

http://dc.streetsblog.org/2013/03/29/pa ... -carolina/
I very strongly doubt it for much longer.

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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby beykite » March 31st, 2013, 2:03 pm

Kinda looses its credibility when it includes Philadelphia yet ignores Little Rock. Anyways I voted for Columbia. Minnesota has a habit of not going to far in playoffs so hopefully we'll get knocked out early.

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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby seanrichardryan » March 31st, 2013, 3:47 pm

beykite wrote:.... Minnesota has a habit of not going to far in playoffs so hopefully we'll get knocked out early.


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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby writruth » April 12th, 2013, 12:56 pm

http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/b ... n-for.html

The Business Journal link above, illustrates the winning student-entry for a design competition remaking DTE. The design builds on much that already exists, including a revamp of the existing Armory and use of the Star-Tribune building as a pedestal for a condo or apartment tower. The most striking and ambitious design element, is the massive, elevated, two-block green-space, envisioned to be constructed above an underground parking bunker.

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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby MNdible » April 12th, 2013, 1:12 pm

There were already some posts about this in one of the two threads that shall remain locked forever.

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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby stock345 » April 12th, 2013, 1:42 pm

Here's a link to the finalist designs.

http://www.uli.org/programs/awards-comp ... -mentions/

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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby mister.shoes » April 12th, 2013, 2:16 pm

That was by far my favorite of the finalists. It is a quite exciting and inspiring vision of that entire area. Let's take that $500MM Mayo is looking for an spend it here instead.
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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby Garrett » April 14th, 2013, 10:22 am

stock345 wrote:Here's a link to the finalist designs.

http://www.uli.org/programs/awards-comp ... -mentions/
I like the Mall feel it has, like you'd find in Europe or over at the U.

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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby mplser » April 14th, 2013, 11:45 am

This plan looks great! the only gripe I have about it is that it seems like they want to turn the armory into another block E. what makes them think this time it won't fail?

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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby twincitizen » April 14th, 2013, 1:04 pm

My optimist side says that downtown can support a bowling alley and movie theater, but my realist side looks at the failure of Block e and says definitely not in that mall-type of format.

This could maybe work, but the residential population has to come first. If we can add 75,000 residents with disposable income city-wide and another 50,000+ increase along the Green Line, I think something like this could work, but probably not for another 15-20 years.

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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby Nick » April 14th, 2013, 2:02 pm

There's got to be a way to make a small, classy, booze-serving movie theater work downtown. I'd invest money in that today. Any business people 'round these parts?

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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby mplser » April 14th, 2013, 6:02 pm

you just used the word classy and booze in the same sentence.

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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby Nick » April 14th, 2013, 6:38 pm

Uh well I don't mean dollar rails and Keystone Light.

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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby robotlollipop » April 14th, 2013, 6:51 pm

Craft beers and fancy cocktails are classified as booze too, ya know.

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Re: What will it take to develop DTE?

Postby gahwi003 » April 14th, 2013, 7:09 pm

Nick wrote:Uh well I don't mean dollar rails and Keystone Light.
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