Mesa, AZ

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Mesa, AZ

Postby xandrex » September 21st, 2014, 11:56 am

While mindlessly scrolling through my Twitter feed, I suddenly saw this headline: "Are Conservative Cities Better?"

Turns out the entire thing is a fluffy piece about how great Mesa, Arizona is (complete with a reference to how it's "larger" than cities like Minneapolis) and "a new kind of urbanism." How a city with about the same population as Minneapolis but twice as sprawling counts as anything urban is beyond me, but the article likes to grasp at straws.

One particularly great (appalling?) part was a drooling reference to Colorado Spring's "fee-for-government" structure set up during the recession that the author seemed completely unfazed by:
In late 2009 and early 2010, as the recession hammered the sales tax receipts that were used to fund most government operations (the city’s property taxes are some of the lowest in the nation), Colorado Springs was forced to drastically cut its operations. Pools were closed. Trashcans were removed from parks. Bus service was gutted. A third of the city’s streetlights were turned off. When the city’s voters rejected an initiative in 2010 that would have hiked taxes to restore many services, Colorado Springs embarked on a remarkable experiment in fee-for-service government. Instead, of paying taxes, residents could elect to have their streetlights turned back on—if they were willing to pay $100. This model didn’t stop at streetlights: One group of neighbors pooled $2,500 to “adopt” their local park. Once the city received the cash, the trashcans and sprinklers were returned. Colorado Springs remains very libertarian—bus service, for example, has never really recovered. The lights are back on, however, a seeming admission from city government that the initial cuts might have gone too far.
Anyway, if you need a laugh or to shake your head in sadness, you can read it here.

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Re: Mesa, AZ

Postby mullen » September 22nd, 2014, 10:41 am

don't want to be living there when the water supply dries.

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Re: Mesa, AZ

Postby Wedgeguy » September 22nd, 2014, 1:32 pm

don't want to be living there when the water supply dries.
Already has those problems from time to time. Water rationing is common in the southwest.
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Re: Mesa, AZ

Postby David Greene » September 23rd, 2014, 5:26 am

don't want to be living there when the water supply dries.
You think we're better off here?

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Re: Mesa, AZ

Postby FISHMANPET » September 23rd, 2014, 6:04 am

With the Mississippi and all our lakes I think we're a tad better off than the desert.

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Re: Mesa, AZ

Postby David Greene » September 23rd, 2014, 6:12 am

With the Mississippi and all our lakes I think we're a tad better off than the desert.
It might take a little longer but we're using more water than we're replenishing just the same.

We've got to get off our Great Lakes high horse and get our own house in order.

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Re: Mesa, AZ

Postby mullen » September 23rd, 2014, 8:46 am

people in arizona think a pipeline from the great lakes will save them. so yes, i think we're better off here.

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Re: Mesa, AZ

Postby grant1simons2 » September 23rd, 2014, 8:54 am

http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/Home/Regi ... .aspx?west

There's a bit of difference as you can see. Historically there's a higher chance of drought in the SW

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Re: Mesa, AZ

Postby David Greene » September 23rd, 2014, 10:26 am

Y'all are missing the point. This isn't about drought. We've been draining the Prairie du Chien and other aquifers for quite some time. White Bear Lake isn't shrinking because of a lack of rain. The recent rising levels due to unusually high rainfall are but a temporary relief. Those aquifers were charged over millions of years.

The problem isn't drought, it's our lack of conservation. A pipeline from the Great Lakes won't save the Southwest U.S. because we won't have the water.

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Re: Mesa, AZ

Postby Viktor Vaughn » September 23rd, 2014, 11:28 am

David, I completely agree that our unsustainable water usage will need to be dealt with very soon. We waste a ton of water, and the aquifers are declining much faster than they are being replenished. Even worse, our decedents will curse us for the reckless way we are polluting our surface water and aquifers.

But if the southwest is "poor" in water, we are "rich". They're like a low-wage worker entrenched in intergenerational poverty and we're like the highly paid doctor that blows through his income and needs to dip into the million dollar investment account every month to meet the budget shortfall. There's a big difference between being seriously low on water vs. squandering the ample water resources we were blessed with.

In my estimation, water will be the resource in the 21st Century similar to what oil was in the 20th. Namely, it will be a driving force behind strategic choices, political battles, and wars. We need to realize we're hugely undervaluing our most important natural resource. We need to protect our water from pollution and use it more wisely.

The best things we can do to make it happen - Stop sulfide mining in Minnesota's wettest regions, convert denser areas using ground water to surface water, close down wasteful ethanol plants, move farmers away from corn, monocultures, additional tiling, & planting near waterways, replace "Kentucky blue grass" lawns with native plants and rain gardens, close down golf courses, and upgrade waste water treatment infrastructure to eliminate sewage overflows.

This is stuff we gotta do sooner rather than later, but it does a disservice to equate our water problems with the dire situations folks are facing in the southwest, central valley, or southern great plains.


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