urbanMSP

So, why doesn't the city pass an ordinance requiring restaurants to have indoor seating if that's a goal of the city? It's not like this isn't an industry trend (see also the "Demolition Man Taco Bell in Brooklyn Park" and how few Pizza Huts still have seating any more) so unless there's an ordinance you're going to see more of it.

Another McNothing burger argument here. This was specifically done to keep "those people" in the neighborhood from sitting in there. There's no bathrooms, no chairs, no self service station. To say it's just "the way the industry is going" doesn't excuse the intentions. They also removed the pick-up window that used to be here.

Don't even get me started on the landscaping design... A solid path that made sense organically leading to the door was replaced with... this :/

Were "those people" paying customers that were behaving decently?

RIP Icehouse? Huge bummer if so.

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I haven't been in there since the remodeling wrapped, but the building footprint didn't change, so the dining room is still there, right? They're just not using it? (Which they have been doing since Covid hit, I'm pretty certain.)

No, when you walk into the lobby there are two ordering kiosks, a mobile order pickup window and a single POS register. Any dining room space is behind a permanent wood wall and keypad entry door. There are no public tables in eyesight anywhere.

It's the same with the remodeled store at Lake & 35. Awkward and sterile space with a few kiosk and a counter. This contrasts with other stores in the suburbs. Going to the dining room of a McDonalds is something Seniors do or families with young kids. You can go there, get somewhat affordable food and families can let their kids be kids a bit more. It appears this is a privilege we've lost in the cities.

I haven't been in there since the remodeling wrapped, but the building footprint didn't change, so the dining room is still there, right? They're just not using it? (Which they have been doing since Covid hit, I'm pretty certain.)

No, when you walk into the lobby there are two ordering kiosks, a mobile order pickup window and a single POS register. Any dining room space is behind a permanent wood wall and keypad entry door. There are no public tables in eyesight anywhere.

It's the same with the remodeled store at Lake & 35. Awkward and sterile space with a few kiosk and a counter. This contrasts with other stores in the suburbs. Going to the dining room of a McDonalds is something Seniors do or families with young kids. You can go there, get somewhat affordable food and families can let their kids be kids a bit more. It appears this is a privilege we've lost in the cities.

Different city, but the same situation is at their location at Clarence and Maryland in St. Paul. In that store it's even worse because the counter has a giant red sign posted asking all customers to use the electronic kiosks and not bother the in-person store workers. The one time I walked in there, pretty much every person inside was an uber eats driver waiting to pick up their order.

If they implement the diagnonal pedestrian/bike promenade across the site, I can see it being a really pleasant place. Something like a slightly narrowed european street with lots of amenities could be something really special. Important to not have it turn into another Nicollet Mall.

Still a little disappointed they opted to open the street to general traffic but at least they're planning on a narrow street with a raised crosswalk. Probably my favorite of all traffic calming options.

Thankfully they did leave this open to traffic. This is a major artery from downtown to Richfield.

I agree that leaving it open for car traffic is good thing. A lot of people drive in to visit Eat Street. It's inconvenient to come off 35W to Lake then meander around several side streets. Good urban design is about connectivity with major streets. Concerns are that drivers that normally take 1st Ave or Blaisdell will go use Nicollet now. But the design will be two lane and narrow. Traffic will be calm. People will bypass Eat Street and use the others if they are just driving through On the other hand VISITORS to Eat Street will have a clean way up Nicollet.